Renting EX-1: short course please at DVinfo.net

Bob Kerner · November 22nd, 2008, 11:14 AM

I'll be renting an EX-1 soon to evaluate it for purchase. I'm interested in image quality, workflow and ergonomics. Given the price of the rental, I'll likely only have it for a weekend and, as such, don't expect to be able to digest the entire operator's manual and all the nuances of the technology. I'm hoping the helpful folks here can give me a quick course on how to get the most out of this device for evaluation purposes.

1) What settings for blow-your-socks off HD image quality?

2) How do I get the data into my NLE in the most direct manner? I'm using FCS and will likely be transferring directly from camera to computer.

2a) Must I make sure the shop provides software to facilitate the transfer? I think I've read that you can't import directly from the card to FCS without using a Sony conduit.

3) How do I want to encode the final test footage in Compressor to get the best image out? My best viewing options are: HD tv (can I send footage back to the card and then play through the tv?) or my Mac w/ HD Cinema display.

I'd appreciate any other "need to know" suggestions before I undertake my test.

And BTW, can anyone explain why two rental houses, 4 miles away from one another, would have day rates that are $200 apart from one another? I can't figure that out, but the decision will be based on whether the one will apply rental fee toward purchase price.

Thank you
Bob

Craig Seeman · November 22nd, 2008, 12:06 PM

Personally I'd recommend viewing a training DVD first. Vortexmedia has both a training DVD and a DVD of sample clips. Callbox also has a training DVD.

1) There are no ultimate settings just as there's no formula for "The Great American Novel" or "best" way to build a house. It all depends on what you're shooting and what your target is.

2) Sony ClipBrowser 2.00.01, Sony XDCAM Transfer 2.7.1, FCP 6.0.2 and up (now at 6.0.5)

2a) You can go USB from the camera, SxS into laptop with Expresscard port, Sony SxS card reader to USB. BPAV folder must be converted to .mov with XDCAM Transfer. FCP 6.0.3 and up can import with Sony Log & Transfer plugin too.

3) It all depends on your target, web, blu-ray, AppleTV, iPhone, iPod, desktop playback. Generally you can't send video back to the SxS card for playback from card. I can play the XDCAM EX .MOV files from my Mac DVI out to HDMI in to my 46" HDTV. I also use high data rate H.264 played from Quicktime to the HDTV.

Rental houses are not one size fits all either. They have different expenses, services, business models. Cheaper isn't necessarily better, in fact, can cost more in the long run if there are service issues.

Get the Training DVDs BEFORE you rent and you'll be able to use your rental time more efficiently to learn/test.

Bob Kerner · November 22nd, 2008, 01:28 PM

Good idea, Craig. Dare I ask which one you prefer?

I looked at both online and it looks like the Callbox is a little more focused on editing, whereas the Vortex focuses on the camera controls. Just my take looking at the advertisement.....

Thanks again

Bob Jackson · November 22nd, 2008, 07:29 PM

I bought the Vortex Media DVd set before I bought the Ex1.
Doug does a great job explaining how to run the EX1 and this disk set would be good to look at before you get your camera.
After watching the dvd a couple of times i decided to buy the ex1.
I still look at it every once in awhile.
Good reference on how to set up camera and its operation.
Bob

Chad Hucal · November 22nd, 2008, 09:05 PM

The Vortex DVD was great for me. I bought it shortly after getting an EX1 and if you're new to the HD and/or tapeless workflow world it was a tremenous help in getting my feet under me.

November 22nd, 2008, 11:14 AM	#1
Bob Kerner Major Player Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New York Posts: 388	Renting EX-1: short course please I'll be renting an EX-1 soon to evaluate it for purchase. I'm interested in image quality, workflow and ergonomics. Given the price of the rental, I'll likely only have it for a weekend and, as such, don't expect to be able to digest the entire operator's manual and all the nuances of the technology. I'm hoping the helpful folks here can give me a quick course on how to get the most out of this device for evaluation purposes. 1) What settings for blow-your-socks off HD image quality? 2) How do I get the data into my NLE in the most direct manner? I'm using FCS and will likely be transferring directly from camera to computer. 2a) Must I make sure the shop provides software to facilitate the transfer? I think I've read that you can't import directly from the card to FCS without using a Sony conduit. 3) How do I want to encode the final test footage in Compressor to get the best image out? My best viewing options are: HD tv (can I send footage back to the card and then play through the tv?) or my Mac w/ HD Cinema display. I'd appreciate any other "need to know" suggestions before I undertake my test. And BTW, can anyone explain why two rental houses, 4 miles away from one another, would have day rates that are $200 apart from one another? I can't figure that out, but the decision will be based on whether the one will apply rental fee toward purchase price. Thank you Bob

November 22nd, 2008, 07:29 PM	#4
Bob Jackson Major Player Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Republic of Vancouver Island Posts: 200	I bought the Vortex Media DVd set before I bought the Ex1. Doug does a great job explaining how to run the EX1 and this disk set would be good to look at before you get your camera. After watching the dvd a couple of times i decided to buy the ex1. I still look at it every once in awhile. Good reference on how to set up camera and its operation. Bob __________________ Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. AC Clarke

November 22nd, 2008, 12:06 PM	#2
Craig Seeman Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Brooklyn, NY, USA Posts: 3,841	Personally I'd recommend viewing a training DVD first. Vortexmedia has both a training DVD and a DVD of sample clips. Callbox also has a training DVD. 1) There are no ultimate settings just as there's no formula for "The Great American Novel" or "best" way to build a house. It all depends on what you're shooting and what your target is. 2) Sony ClipBrowser 2.00.01, Sony XDCAM Transfer 2.7.1, FCP 6.0.2 and up (now at 6.0.5) 2a) You can go USB from the camera, SxS into laptop with Expresscard port, Sony SxS card reader to USB. BPAV folder must be converted to .mov with XDCAM Transfer. FCP 6.0.3 and up can import with Sony Log & Transfer plugin too. 3) It all depends on your target, web, blu-ray, AppleTV, iPhone, iPod, desktop playback. Generally you can't send video back to the SxS card for playback from card. I can play the XDCAM EX .MOV files from my Mac DVI out to HDMI in to my 46" HDTV. I also use high data rate H.264 played from Quicktime to the HDTV. Rental houses are not one size fits all either. They have different expenses, services, business models. Cheaper isn't necessarily better, in fact, can cost more in the long run if there are service issues. Get the Training DVDs BEFORE you rent and you'll be able to use your rental time more efficiently to learn/test.

November 22nd, 2008, 01:28 PM	#3
Bob Kerner Major Player Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New York Posts: 388	Good idea, Craig. Dare I ask which one you prefer? I looked at both online and it looks like the Callbox is a little more focused on editing, whereas the Vortex focuses on the camera controls. Just my take looking at the advertisement..... Thanks again

November 22nd, 2008, 09:05 PM	#5
Chad Hucal Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 77	The Vortex DVD was great for me. I bought it shortly after getting an EX1 and if you're new to the HD and/or tapeless workflow world it was a tremenous help in getting my feet under me.