EX1 + Letus Ultimate

Gerald Loidl · September 26th, 2008, 08:59 AM

Hi,
those of you shooting with an EX1/EX3 and the Ultimate adapter - do you have detail set on or off on your camera?
I used to use detail off for shooting without adapter but I´m wondering if I should turn it on for adapter work?

All thoughts are appreciated!

Piotr Wozniacki · September 26th, 2008, 09:26 AM

The 35mm adapter itself will inevitably soften the image a bit, therefore I am shooting with Detail ON when using the Letus (with Canon FD lenses, which are not the sharpest, either).

Benjamin Eckstein · September 26th, 2008, 11:14 AM

I do detail on when using an adapter at around -7 or -10. The adapter softens the image and I think it pops more and is much easier to focus with the detail.

Gerald Loidl · September 27th, 2008, 05:18 AM

Thanks for your tips!
Benjamin, why are you using a negative value for the detail setting as it will soften the image even a little more?

thanks!
Gerald

Bill Ravens · September 27th, 2008, 05:34 AM

Actually, a negative value of -40(I think) represents zero softening. So, anything greater than -40 applies some sharpening.

Benjamin Eckstein · September 27th, 2008, 07:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Ravens

Actually, a negative value of -40(I think) represents zero softening. So, anything greater than -40 applies some sharpening.

yep, exactly.

Piotr Wozniacki · September 27th, 2008, 07:51 AM

I think it's also worth to remember, that the 35mm adapters have all been designed with this illusive "film bokeh" in mind. It means all video-ish sharpening (have you ever seen edge enhancement in a cinema theater?) is supposed to be eliminated.

Sometimes the achromat and GG's imperfections accumulate, and the effect is a bit overdone - hence some neutral detail setting on the camera is appropriate (I guess Detail off, or ON but in negative territory, is just what is needed).

Gerald Loidl · September 27th, 2008, 09:58 AM

Thank you gentlemen for this great explanation. It was absolutely new to me that -40 represents zero softening. Time to set up my Letus Ultimate PP-Profile accordingly, as I always thought it looked a tad too soft with detail off.

thanks!
Gerald

Michael Maier · September 30th, 2008, 10:28 AM

For me definitely detail OFF. Any amount of detail looks just plain bad and digitally enhanced. In tests transferred to 35mm and projected the detail ON is right there on your face. Detail off if you want a filmic feel. The Letus Extreme doesn't really make the image softer. Just shoot a rez chart and see. The softening is minimal.

Andrew Hollister · September 30th, 2008, 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Ravens

Actually, a negative value of -40(I think) represents zero softening. So, anything greater than -40 applies some sharpening.

is this like some sort of Fahrenheit/Celsius thing? (-32 = 0)

September 26th, 2008, 08:59 AM	#1
Gerald Loidl Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Austria Posts: 122	EX1 + Letus Ultimate - Detail "on" or "off"? Hi, those of you shooting with an EX1/EX3 and the Ultimate adapter - do you have detail set on or off on your camera? I used to use detail off for shooting without adapter but I´m wondering if I should turn it on for adapter work? All thoughts are appreciated!

September 26th, 2008, 09:26 AM	#2
Piotr Wozniacki Inner Circle Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Poland Posts: 4,086	The 35mm adapter itself will inevitably soften the image a bit, therefore I am shooting with Detail ON when using the Letus (with Canon FD lenses, which are not the sharpest, either). __________________ Sony PXW-FS7 \| DaVinci Resolve Studio; Magix Vegas Pro; i7-5960X CPU; 64 GB RAM; 2x GTX 1080 8GB GPU; Decklink 4K Extreme 12G; 4x 3TB WD Black in RAID 0; 1TB M.2 NVMe cache drive

September 27th, 2008, 07:51 AM	#7
Piotr Wozniacki Inner Circle Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Poland Posts: 4,086	I think it's also worth to remember, that the 35mm adapters have all been designed with this illusive "film bokeh" in mind. It means all video-ish sharpening (have you ever seen edge enhancement in a cinema theater?) is supposed to be eliminated. Sometimes the achromat and GG's imperfections accumulate, and the effect is a bit overdone - hence some neutral detail setting on the camera is appropriate (I guess Detail off, or ON but in negative territory, is just what is needed). __________________ Sony PXW-FS7 \| DaVinci Resolve Studio; Magix Vegas Pro; i7-5960X CPU; 64 GB RAM; 2x GTX 1080 8GB GPU; Decklink 4K Extreme 12G; 4x 3TB WD Black in RAID 0; 1TB M.2 NVMe cache drive

September 26th, 2008, 11:14 AM	#3
Benjamin Eckstein Major Player Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Boston, Massachusetts Posts: 380 Images: 1	I do detail on when using an adapter at around -7 or -10. The adapter softens the image and I think it pops more and is much easier to focus with the detail.

September 27th, 2008, 05:18 AM	#4
Gerald Loidl Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Austria Posts: 122	Thanks for your tips! Benjamin, why are you using a negative value for the detail setting as it will soften the image even a little more? thanks! Gerald

September 27th, 2008, 05:34 AM	#5
Bill Ravens Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: santa fe, nm Posts: 3,264 Images: 10	Actually, a negative value of -40(I think) represents zero softening. So, anything greater than -40 applies some sharpening.

September 27th, 2008, 09:58 AM	#8
Gerald Loidl Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Austria Posts: 122	Thank you gentlemen for this great explanation. It was absolutely new to me that -40 represents zero softening. Time to set up my Letus Ultimate PP-Profile accordingly, as I always thought it looked a tad too soft with detail off. thanks! Gerald

September 30th, 2008, 10:28 AM	#9
Michael Maier Trustee Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,269	For me definitely detail OFF. Any amount of detail looks just plain bad and digitally enhanced. In tests transferred to 35mm and projected the detail ON is right there on your face. Detail off if you want a filmic feel. The Letus Extreme doesn't really make the image softer. Just shoot a rez chart and see. The softening is minimal.