SDHC substitute for SxS cards

Piotr Wozniacki · January 11th, 2009, 08:53 AM

The "A" instead of "E" is probably the region designation (America vs Europe); I wonder about the difference in the first part of the model name.

Anyway, does it look like the one in the attached pic ?

Craig Seeman · January 11th, 2009, 09:21 AM

Different. As Ned notes, they're class 2 not 4. There's a 2 where your image has a 4.

Piotr Wozniacki · January 11th, 2009, 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Craig Seeman

Different. As Ned notes, they're class 2 not 4. There's a 2 where your image has a 4.

Isn't Class 4 of higher minimum speed than Class 2?

Can anyone in EU direct me to the right 32GB Sandisk card?

Sorry for lame questions, I didn't follow the whole SDHC discussion too closely :)

Craig Seeman · January 11th, 2009, 09:49 AM

Sandisk Ultra II Class 2

Craig Seeman · January 11th, 2009, 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Piotr Wozniacki

Isn't Class 4 of higher minimum speed than Class 2?

Sorry for lame questions, I didn't follow the whole SDHC discussion too closely :)

Supposedly. Oddly the product code I posted shows Class 4 designation. It seems Sandisk changed the Class designation without explanation nor changing online product photos. It's the same product code though. I've tested two cards and they both work.

Craig Seeman · January 11th, 2009, 09:57 AM

looking carefully there's now an asterisk * next to the 15MB/s speed.
On the back of the package next to the asterisk *

"15MB/s Read, 9MB/s Write. Based on interneal testing with TextMetrix; performance may be lower depending on host device. 1 megabyte (MB) = 1 million bytes."

Brooks Graham · January 11th, 2009, 01:52 PM

When I bought my first set of 16GB Ultra II Sandisk cards for my SDHC setup, I ended up with Class 2 cards even though the photo on the website showed Class 4. I went to the Sandisk forums and the official word on the "Class" designations, directly from Sandisk themselves, is that today it's only used for market positioning. In the early days, it actually meant something, but they moved the Ultra II 16GB card from Class 4 to Class 2 because they were creating a "higher end" card that they wanted to position above the Ultra II and designated that card as Class 4 - hence the Ultra II got re-badged as Class 2 to make room.

Same thing is at play here I suspect.

Eric A Robinson · January 18th, 2009, 04:18 PM

I was just about to buy two 16G SxS cards for around £800 and then read the sticky on using the card reader and flash card combo. I went ahead and ordered them for around £90 for two cards and two readers. Popped them in my EX3 and Bingo, what a saving, around £710. It makes the whole idea of using the EX3 incredibly cost effective. I ordered the Transcend 16GB SDHC Class 6 cards. OK so no overcranking, I keep two 8G SXS cards for any shots that required it. So a big thanks to the guy who came up with the idea. If you are ever in Edinburgh, I will stand you a beer, in fact several beers.

Bruce Rawlings · January 18th, 2009, 04:42 PM

The same offer stands in Cardiff, Wales.

Matt Davis · January 18th, 2009, 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bruce Rawlings

The same offer stands in Cardiff, Wales.

and if you're on the tour, there's one in Slough too.

BTW: Brits may be interested in this:

7dayshop.com - Online Store

Transcend 16 GB Class 6 for less than a blue box 60 min DVCAM tape. I bought one, shot stuff over the weekend with nary a problem, so I've ordered a truckload along with another load of MxR adaptors.

Next week may be the first shoot job I actually hand over SD cards to the client as if they were tapes.

David Heath · January 18th, 2009, 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt Daviss

BTW: Brits may be interested in this:

7dayshop.com - Online Store

Good find - I note they also do Transcend 8GB Class 6 cards for under £10 each if you buy two or more. Are they also proven to work in an EX?

8GB should be OK for about 25 minutes of 35Mbs recording, so for some situations may be more useful for handing straight to client.

Bruce Rawlings · January 18th, 2009, 07:01 PM

Been there, bought the Transcend 16gb cards. Very good speedy service from 7 day shop.

Paul Inglis · January 19th, 2009, 11:05 AM

I have spent a couple of months debating whether to go down this road or not and have followed this thread quite avidly - So many posts!!!

Finally yesterday afternoon I took plunge and sent for 4 off MxR Adaptors and 4 off Transcend Secure Digital High Capacity (SDHC) Memory Card - 16GB - Class 6 (Shame I ordered just before the link to the 7dayshop as I paid £27.99 for mine, but they do come with a USB Card Reader too!).

Still I'm not moaning as the total came to £233.73! Whereas 4 off 16GB S x S Cards would have set me back £2116.00, so I've made a saving of £1882.27!!!

I opted to purchase four MxR Adaptors to save fiddling around with those small SDHC Cards in the field! I'll still have my 8GB S x S Cards for S&Q work plus the 60GB PHU-60k. More than enough for a days shoot!

Jon Braeley · January 20th, 2009, 09:22 AM

Just a note to say that the guys at E-films are really on the ball.

I had a faulty reader and they replaced it in a flash - and I am in Miami.

Superb to work with and very responsive. Cheers E-film team.

Thierry Humeau · January 23rd, 2009, 07:52 AM

Just currious, when using SDHC cards with the e-film adaptor, can you ingest the footage into a Mac/PC using a USB SD card reader?

Thierry.

January 11th, 2009, 08:53 AM	#1381
Piotr Wozniacki Inner Circle Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Poland Posts: 4,086	The "A" instead of "E" is probably the region designation (America vs Europe); I wonder about the difference in the first part of the model name. Anyway, does it look like the one in the attached pic ? Attached Thumbnails __________________ Sony PXW-FS7 \| DaVinci Resolve Studio; Magix Vegas Pro; i7-5960X CPU; 64 GB RAM; 2x GTX 1080 8GB GPU; Decklink 4K Extreme 12G; 4x 3TB WD Black in RAID 0; 1TB M.2 NVMe cache drive

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January 18th, 2009, 04:18 PM	#1388
Eric A Robinson Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Edinburgh, Scotland Posts: 82	Well done and thankyou I was just about to buy two 16G SxS cards for around £800 and then read the sticky on using the card reader and flash card combo. I went ahead and ordered them for around £90 for two cards and two readers. Popped them in my EX3 and Bingo, what a saving, around £710. It makes the whole idea of using the EX3 incredibly cost effective. I ordered the Transcend 16GB SDHC Class 6 cards. OK so no overcranking, I keep two 8G SXS cards for any shots that required it. So a big thanks to the guy who came up with the idea. If you are ever in Edinburgh, I will stand you a beer, in fact several beers.

January 23rd, 2009, 07:52 AM	#1395
Thierry Humeau Telecam Films Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Washington DC Posts: 723	Just currious, when using SDHC cards with the e-film adaptor, can you ingest the footage into a Mac/PC using a USB SD card reader? Thierry. __________________ Thierry Humeau, DoP Télécam Films www.telecamfilms.com

January 11th, 2009, 09:21 AM	#1382
Craig Seeman Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Brooklyn, NY, USA Posts: 3,841	Different. As Ned notes, they're class 2 not 4. There's a 2 where your image has a 4.

January 11th, 2009, 09:57 AM	#1386
Craig Seeman Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Brooklyn, NY, USA Posts: 3,841	looking carefully there's now an asterisk * next to the 15MB/s speed. On the back of the package next to the asterisk * "15MB/s Read, 9MB/s Write. Based on interneal testing with TextMetrix; performance may be lower depending on host device. 1 megabyte (MB) = 1 million bytes."

January 11th, 2009, 01:52 PM	#1387
Brooks Graham Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 121	When I bought my first set of 16GB Ultra II Sandisk cards for my SDHC setup, I ended up with Class 2 cards even though the photo on the website showed Class 4. I went to the Sandisk forums and the official word on the "Class" designations, directly from Sandisk themselves, is that today it's only used for market positioning. In the early days, it actually meant something, but they moved the Ultra II 16GB card from Class 4 to Class 2 because they were creating a "higher end" card that they wanted to position above the Ultra II and designated that card as Class 4 - hence the Ultra II got re-badged as Class 2 to make room. Same thing is at play here I suspect.

January 18th, 2009, 04:42 PM	#1389
Bruce Rawlings Major Player Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Cardiff, Wales, UK Posts: 410	The same offer stands in Cardiff, Wales.

January 18th, 2009, 07:01 PM	#1392
Bruce Rawlings Major Player Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Cardiff, Wales, UK Posts: 410	Been there, bought the Transcend 16gb cards. Very good speedy service from 7 day shop.

January 19th, 2009, 11:05 AM	#1393
Paul Inglis Major Player Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: British Isles Posts: 415	I have spent a couple of months debating whether to go down this road or not and have followed this thread quite avidly - So many posts!!! Finally yesterday afternoon I took plunge and sent for 4 off MxR Adaptors and 4 off Transcend Secure Digital High Capacity (SDHC) Memory Card - 16GB - Class 6 (Shame I ordered just before the link to the 7dayshop as I paid £27.99 for mine, but they do come with a USB Card Reader too!). Still I'm not moaning as the total came to £233.73! Whereas 4 off 16GB S x S Cards would have set me back £2116.00, so I've made a saving of £1882.27!!! I opted to purchase four MxR Adaptors to save fiddling around with those small SDHC Cards in the field! I'll still have my 8GB S x S Cards for S&Q work plus the 60GB PHU-60k. More than enough for a days shoot!

January 20th, 2009, 09:22 AM	#1394
Jon Braeley Major Player Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 528	Just a note to say that the guys at E-films are really on the ball. I had a faulty reader and they replaced it in a flash - and I am in Miami. Superb to work with and very responsive. Cheers E-film team.