SDHC substitute for SxS cards

Andy Wilkinson · November 3rd, 2008, 02:34 PM

OK, I've used EX1 and have EX3 and yes they redesigned the switch - but it's no better, believe me.

Now to my point.

This is a HUGE long thread about cheap alternatives to SxS cards - what a wonderfull thing! Might I politely suggest we don't make it even longer by discussing stuff that is best placed in other threads on this forum that have already covered issues like the switch. Please don't get me wrong, I don't mean to be rude (Honest!) but a cheap alternative to SxS is a very big deal and I spent hours and hours pouring through this thread earlier this week deciding what I needed to buy. I just don't want others to have to spend even longer on the same thing. The excellent posts (a few back) that summarised the main points was very helpfull - just wished I'd waited a day longer so I could have benefited from that!

Anyway, for the benefit of all (going forward) let's try and keep this thread on what works and what the limitations are with various SDHC Flash Memory/Expresscard 34 Reader options etc. alternatives to SxS as they come along and get tested by all you good fellows. 32GB SDHC cards next???!!!!

Chris, and all, sorry for the "mini-rant" but if I've got this wrong please say so and I'll shut up again!

Alex Raskin · November 3rd, 2008, 02:47 PM

Hey Andy, you are right of course. We are only human though :)

Now, the 32Gb cards you've mentioned seem to be a bit of a mixed bag - which is why I did not mention them in my mini-review posted here on Sat morning.

On one hand, last time I checked, their cost was higher than two 16Gb cards. And, their availability was not immediate.

On the other hand, having 2 hours of footage on one card means that you can lose that much now by misplacing the card, or by a glitch/defect that is possible to occur in the card.

So to me, 16Gb cards by either Transcend or Sandisk seem like a sweet spot right now.

Wayne Zebzda · November 3rd, 2008, 09:16 PM

:... you can lose that much now by misplacing the card, or by a glitch/defect that is possible to occur in the card."

Alex,

I tested the overcranking with an 8 gb transend and kensington reader.
1080 24p @48fps. got error message.
1080 24p @ 38fps, error message sat there and, the overcranked and all previous clipson the card shot at normal speeds seemed to be GONE ! Nothing showed up in camera on the card.

I put it in the laptop express card slot and used sony's clipbrowser and All the clips were still there. the 48fps recorded for 11 seconds and then choked and the 38 was fine for the 20 seconds or so I ran it. The camera went dumb blind but the chip retained the info. Still it is a lesson learned not to try an overcrank with any critical shots on the card. Glitch defect syndrome.

Brian Rhodes · November 3rd, 2008, 10:05 PM

I got a call from SanDisk today the 32GB cards will be out Mid DEC. They will be sending me one for review as soon as they are available.

Wayne Zebzda · November 4th, 2008, 12:59 AM

Brian, have them send me one too and I can test if being closer to the equator effects the chip... :]

I forgot to add in my previous post that the camera now recognizes the "lost" clips. Although I did not remove and reinsert the setup when I was in initial shock at losing the clips so I don't know if the camera just might have re-recognized them on its own.
Than again, 'Lost" is filmed in Hawaii so it just might be an equatorial thing...
Aloha

Dan Chung · November 4th, 2008, 04:12 AM

Just noticed just how cheap Transcend 8gb sdhc cards are now Newegg.com - Transcend 8GB Secure Digital High-Capacity (SDHC) Flash Card Model TS8GSDHC6 - Flash Memory

Has anyone been using them successfully since the thread started? I have 6 of the 16gb cards but might compliment them with some of the 8gb ones.

Dan

Paul Kellett · November 4th, 2008, 04:38 AM

I've got the transcend 8gb's, no problems with them, but to be honest i use mostly the 16gb's nowadays.
I can get the 8gb for £12 and the 16gb for £25 from a shop about a mile from my house, happens to be an ebay shop .

Paul.

Dan Chung · November 4th, 2008, 04:51 AM

Paul, good to know. I just think the 8gb size is good especially if you want to give disks to clients or editors to take away from a shoot.

Dan

Gints Klimanis · November 4th, 2008, 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex Raskin

On the other hand, having 2 hours of footage on one card means that you can lose that much now by misplacing the card, or by a glitch/defect that is possible to occur in the card.

Common argument with a common counter. It's easier to misplace one of several cards of the same total capacity.

Mark Sudfeldt · November 5th, 2008, 01:57 PM

I am looking at getting a one year old EX1 ex-demo camera from a dealer. He states "The camera has had its firmware upgraded already so it is ready for the higher capacity 16GB & 32GB SxS cards". Does that mean the firmware is also Kensington/Sandisk ready?

Mark

Gints Klimanis · November 5th, 2008, 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Sudfeldt

I am looking at getting a one year old EX1 ex-demo camera from a dealer. He states "The camera has had its firmware upgraded already so it is ready for the higher capacity 16GB & 32GB SxS cards". Does that mean the firmware is also Kensington/Sandisk ready?
Mark

Check the firmware #. It should be 1.11 (although I have not upgraded myself). 16GB isn't new.

Ronn Kilby · November 5th, 2008, 07:00 PM

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Gints Klimanis · November 5th, 2008, 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ronn Kilby

Gints - you do know your name is an anagram for...
Among others.

Funny. The real nicknames were worse: Gintsmeat, Mint, Iron Balls McGinty and The Gints that Stole Christmas. For a real kick, try googling for Gints Fight Club

Chris Hurd · November 5th, 2008, 11:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ronn Kilby

Gints - you do know your name is an anagram for...

Gints, name your custom title (to appear below your name here).

Ross Herewini · November 6th, 2008, 03:22 AM

I bought three different Expresscard readers over ebay from Hong Kong. I tested using a Sandisk Ultra II 16G.
First two worked fine in the laptop but weren't recognised. The third runs fine. I have been able to record just like I was using the SxS card. Long blocks of 50fps no prob. Buttoned on and off quickly, not one error yet. Cost $AUS20 to my door.

It tested as
19.16 74.59
19.19 2.48
4.48 0,022
using Cristaldisk.

One more to come the one that Marek says works, the Unitek.

I also bought some 16GB memory from HK it was $AUS29 for sdhc card! I'll post the performance when they arrive.

So for $AUS50 I have an up and running 16GB card, way better than $AUS1100.

November 3rd, 2008, 02:34 PM	#811
Andy Wilkinson Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Cambridge UK Posts: 2,853	OK, I've used EX1 and have EX3 and yes they redesigned the switch - but it's no better, believe me. Now to my point. This is a HUGE long thread about cheap alternatives to SxS cards - what a wonderfull thing! Might I politely suggest we don't make it even longer by discussing stuff that is best placed in other threads on this forum that have already covered issues like the switch. Please don't get me wrong, I don't mean to be rude (Honest!) but a cheap alternative to SxS is a very big deal and I spent hours and hours pouring through this thread earlier this week deciding what I needed to buy. I just don't want others to have to spend even longer on the same thing. The excellent posts (a few back) that summarised the main points was very helpfull - just wished I'd waited a day longer so I could have benefited from that! Anyway, for the benefit of all (going forward) let's try and keep this thread on what works and what the limitations are with various SDHC Flash Memory/Expresscard 34 Reader options etc. alternatives to SxS as they come along and get tested by all you good fellows. 32GB SDHC cards next???!!!! Chris, and all, sorry for the "mini-rant" but if I've got this wrong please say so and I'll shut up again! __________________ Andy K Wilkinson - https://www.shootingimage.co.uk Cambridge (UK) Corporate Video Production

November 3rd, 2008, 09:16 PM	#813
Wayne Zebzda Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Kauai, Hawaii Posts: 86	vanishing clips-reappear :... you can lose that much now by misplacing the card, or by a glitch/defect that is possible to occur in the card." Alex, I tested the overcranking with an 8 gb transend and kensington reader. 1080 24p @48fps. got error message. 1080 24p @ 38fps, error message sat there and, the overcranked and all previous clipson the card shot at normal speeds seemed to be GONE ! Nothing showed up in camera on the card. I put it in the laptop express card slot and used sony's clipbrowser and All the clips were still there. the 48fps recorded for 11 seconds and then choked and the 38 was fine for the 20 seconds or so I ran it. The camera went dumb blind but the chip retained the info. Still it is a lesson learned not to try an overcrank with any critical shots on the card. Glitch defect syndrome.

November 4th, 2008, 04:38 AM	#817
Paul Kellett Trustee Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Bristol UK Posts: 1,273	I've got the transcend 8gb's, no problems with them, but to be honest i use mostly the 16gb's nowadays. I can get the 8gb for £12 and the 16gb for £25 from a shop about a mile from my house, happens to be an ebay shop . Paul. __________________ Round 2 GH5,FZ2000

November 5th, 2008, 01:57 PM	#820
Mark Sudfeldt Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: New Zealand Posts: 63	Correct firmware update? I am looking at getting a one year old EX1 ex-demo camera from a dealer. He states "The camera has had its firmware upgraded already so it is ready for the higher capacity 16GB & 32GB SxS cards". Does that mean the firmware is also Kensington/Sandisk ready? Mark

November 5th, 2008, 07:00 PM	#822
Ronn Kilby Major Player Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Fletcher Hills, CA Posts: 211	Off topic but could not resist Gints - you do know your name is an anagram for... Mailing Stinks Staining Milks Stalking Minis Malign Its Skin Assign Milk Tin Mint Ski Signal Giant Slim Sink Mini Gal Stinks King Mist Slain Among others.

November 3rd, 2008, 02:47 PM	#812
Alex Raskin Trustee Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,435	Hey Andy, you are right of course. We are only human though :) Now, the 32Gb cards you've mentioned seem to be a bit of a mixed bag - which is why I did not mention them in my mini-review posted here on Sat morning. On one hand, last time I checked, their cost was higher than two 16Gb cards. And, their availability was not immediate. On the other hand, having 2 hours of footage on one card means that you can lose that much now by misplacing the card, or by a glitch/defect that is possible to occur in the card. So to me, 16Gb cards by either Transcend or Sandisk seem like a sweet spot right now.

November 3rd, 2008, 10:05 PM	#814
Brian Rhodes Major Player Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 753	I got a call from SanDisk today the 32GB cards will be out Mid DEC. They will be sending me one for review as soon as they are available.

November 4th, 2008, 12:59 AM	#815
Wayne Zebzda Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Kauai, Hawaii Posts: 86	Brian, have them send me one too and I can test if being closer to the equator effects the chip... :] I forgot to add in my previous post that the camera now recognizes the "lost" clips. Although I did not remove and reinsert the setup when I was in initial shock at losing the clips so I don't know if the camera just might have re-recognized them on its own. Than again, 'Lost" is filmed in Hawaii so it just might be an equatorial thing... Aloha

November 4th, 2008, 04:12 AM	#816
Dan Chung Major Player Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Beijing Posts: 665	Just noticed just how cheap Transcend 8gb sdhc cards are now Newegg.com - Transcend 8GB Secure Digital High-Capacity (SDHC) Flash Card Model TS8GSDHC6 - Flash Memory Has anyone been using them successfully since the thread started? I have 6 of the 16gb cards but might compliment them with some of the 8gb ones. Dan

November 4th, 2008, 04:51 AM	#818
Dan Chung Major Player Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Beijing Posts: 665	Paul, good to know. I just think the 8gb size is good especially if you want to give disks to clients or editors to take away from a shoot. Dan

November 6th, 2008, 03:22 AM	#825
Ross Herewini Sponsor: eFilms (MxR) Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 171	Generic Expresscard reader I bought three different Expresscard readers over ebay from Hong Kong. I tested using a Sandisk Ultra II 16G. First two worked fine in the laptop but weren't recognised. The third runs fine. I have been able to record just like I was using the SxS card. Long blocks of 50fps no prob. Buttoned on and off quickly, not one error yet. Cost $AUS20 to my door. It tested as 19.16 74.59 19.19 2.48 4.48 0,022 using Cristaldisk. One more to come the one that Marek says works, the Unitek. I also bought some 16GB memory from HK it was $AUS29 for sdhc card! I'll post the performance when they arrive. So for $AUS50 I have an up and running 16GB card, way better than $AUS1100. __________________ Ross Herewini - E-films Makers of the new MxR Extreme Last edited by Ross Herewini; November 6th, 2008 at 06:01 AM.