SDHC substitute for SxS cards

Steven Thomas · October 24th, 2008, 10:52 AM

That's right, I remember now. Yes, I saw these at Frys too.

Ronn Kilby · October 24th, 2008, 11:00 AM

Fade in:

ECU, Alan Greenspan. Preparing to speak before Senate hearing on $7Billion bailout.

Big Al: "Lance, be sure to put my supply of Kensington Readers in the vault. After this, I'll need some liquidity."

Lance: "Aye, Captain."

Ted OMalley · October 24th, 2008, 01:05 PM

I've been using the Kensington and an Extreme III card on my EX3 for a couple weeks now. Overcranked to 52 I've never had an error. (At 54, it errors out within 30 seconds.) I was curious why I was getting better results than others.

Today, I received my Ultra II in the mail - it was time to test again. I started with a bunch of short clips - starting and stopping as fast as I could. Then, let the camera roll. I've been rolling (crap, another film term to replace) for about a half hour overcranked to 52 with no errors.

My guess, since the Kensington card adapters have proven to be capable of more, is that the EX3 bus speed is slightly faster than the EX1. I don't know if this is the firmware or what. The EX3 was designed to work with the 60GB HD out of the box, so perhaps it was given more headroom than even the EX1 firmware was able to allow for.

Steven Thomas · October 24th, 2008, 01:21 PM

Actually that 60GB drive throws restore media errors even in HQ mode, so that's not it.

The EX3 may have a tad higher data rate for USB than the EX1, but as your numbers show, it's not much.
My Kensington will run 45 on the EX1 without errors and 50 it errors, so it may run 49 for all I know.

Based on recent info from testing and Alister's info, the bottleneck for the Kensington / SanDisk SDHC is the EX USB limitations, not the combo. The Kensington/ Sandisk offers a sustained datarate on over 15MB/s, we only need 12.5MB/s to overcrank 24P at 60FPS.

Ted OMalley · October 24th, 2008, 02:00 PM

That makes sense, Steven.

I tried a lot of different things as I was trying to push the envelope. At first, I just wanted to hit 45 - halfway between 30 (i was shooting 30p) and 60. When that was successful, I tried for 50. Then I incrementally increased the speed until it gave me an error.

At 52, I'm getting nearly 75% of the overcranking ability - i.e., running at 175%. The reports I'd been reading indicated that people were getting ony 40 safely - 33% overcranked, or running at 133% (if shooting at 30p).

Jay Gladwell · October 24th, 2008, 04:16 PM

Due to a shipping error, I have two extra Kensington 7-in-1 adapters. If anyone is interested in buying them, send me an e-mail for details.

SOLD --thanks!

David C. Williams · October 24th, 2008, 04:54 PM

Email sent. Hard to get these in Australia at the moment.

Brian Rhodes · October 25th, 2008, 06:45 AM

I call Kensington US spoke to someone in the marketing department they were clueless that the reader worked with the EX1, also ask if they notice an increase in sells. The Rep inform it was not a big selling item and it was no longer on their web site but the bar code was still active. I ask if I could buy the readers wholesale, she replied if I had one lying around I would send it to you we do not show any stock for that item.

I hope the Rep was wrong.

Alex Raskin · October 25th, 2008, 06:54 AM

Amazon just shipped me the Kensington adapter after a few days delay, so apparently there is *some* stock.

Steve Shovlar · October 25th, 2008, 07:35 AM

You can get the Kensington with ease in the UK. Amazon.co.uk have a load of them in from different sellers all saying in stock. Just orderd one and it should be with me early next week. perhaps US based people should look towards Europe if they want one.

Ted OMalley · October 25th, 2008, 08:06 AM

I tried to order from each of the five stores listed as having stock on Amazon.co.uk - and each time I got this warning:

Important Messages
We're sorry. One or more items can't be delivered to your selected destination. Please sign in to change the delivery address or delete the item(s) from your order.

They won't ship electronics to the US - very odd.

Alex Raskin · October 25th, 2008, 08:15 AM

Ted - did you try the link in my post above? That's US Amazon and 5 Kensingtons show in stock as of now.

John Peterson · October 25th, 2008, 08:36 AM

I have been clicking on it all morning. It has consistently said Temporarily Out of Stock.

Where did you see that it said 5 in stock Alex?

John

Ted OMalley · October 25th, 2008, 08:44 AM

It didn't show 5 in stock for me - but I ordered two anyway. My hope is that I'm in line and they'll ship as the receive/locate them.

Steven Thomas · October 25th, 2008, 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ronn Kilby

I tried the i-dot-connect brand "18-in-1" card reader (PPA Int'l) with SanDisk 16GB and it works, HQ and SQ. Overcranks at 60frames 24p for about 16 seconds before media error. I got it at Fry's for $24.99

Ron, any update on the i<dot>Connect 18-in-1 reader with the EX?

Would you say it is dependable as the Kensington 7-in-1?

If so, this "may" be our new favorite if the Kensingtons do not start taking stock.

October 24th, 2008, 01:05 PM	#723
Ted OMalley Major Player Join Date: May 2006 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 596	I've been using the Kensington and an Extreme III card on my EX3 for a couple weeks now. Overcranked to 52 I've never had an error. (At 54, it errors out within 30 seconds.) I was curious why I was getting better results than others. Today, I received my Ultra II in the mail - it was time to test again. I started with a bunch of short clips - starting and stopping as fast as I could. Then, let the camera roll. I've been rolling (crap, another film term to replace) for about a half hour overcranked to 52 with no errors. My guess, since the Kensington card adapters have proven to be capable of more, is that the EX3 bus speed is slightly faster than the EX1. I don't know if this is the firmware or what. The EX3 was designed to work with the 60GB HD out of the box, so perhaps it was given more headroom than even the EX1 firmware was able to allow for. __________________ Sony EX3, Vegas 9.0 64bit, Windows 7(64), Core i7, 12GB, RAID1 & 0, HotSwap SATA, 30" LCD(2560x1600)-GTX285 & 24" LCD(1360x768)-7800GT

October 24th, 2008, 02:00 PM	#725
Ted OMalley Major Player Join Date: May 2006 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 596	That makes sense, Steven. I tried a lot of different things as I was trying to push the envelope. At first, I just wanted to hit 45 - halfway between 30 (i was shooting 30p) and 60. When that was successful, I tried for 50. Then I incrementally increased the speed until it gave me an error. At 52, I'm getting nearly 75% of the overcranking ability - i.e., running at 175%. The reports I'd been reading indicated that people were getting ony 40 safely - 33% overcranked, or running at 133% (if shooting at 30p). __________________ Sony EX3, Vegas 9.0 64bit, Windows 7(64), Core i7, 12GB, RAID1 & 0, HotSwap SATA, 30" LCD(2560x1600)-GTX285 & 24" LCD(1360x768)-7800GT

October 24th, 2008, 04:16 PM	#726
Jay Gladwell Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,244	Due to a shipping error, I have two extra Kensington 7-in-1 adapters. If anyone is interested in buying them, send me an e-mail for details. SOLD --thanks! Last edited by Jay Gladwell; October 24th, 2008 at 06:29 PM. Reason: updating information

October 25th, 2008, 08:06 AM	#731
Ted OMalley Major Player Join Date: May 2006 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 596	I tried to order from each of the five stores listed as having stock on Amazon.co.uk - and each time I got this warning: Important Messages We're sorry. One or more items can't be delivered to your selected destination. Please sign in to change the delivery address or delete the item(s) from your order. They won't ship electronics to the US - very odd. __________________ Sony EX3, Vegas 9.0 64bit, Windows 7(64), Core i7, 12GB, RAID1 & 0, HotSwap SATA, 30" LCD(2560x1600)-GTX285 & 24" LCD(1360x768)-7800GT

October 25th, 2008, 08:44 AM	#734
Ted OMalley Major Player Join Date: May 2006 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 596	It didn't show 5 in stock for me - but I ordered two anyway. My hope is that I'm in line and they'll ship as the receive/locate them. __________________ Sony EX3, Vegas 9.0 64bit, Windows 7(64), Core i7, 12GB, RAID1 & 0, HotSwap SATA, 30" LCD(2560x1600)-GTX285 & 24" LCD(1360x768)-7800GT

October 24th, 2008, 10:52 AM	#721
Steven Thomas Trustee Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 1,896	That's right, I remember now. Yes, I saw these at Frys too.

October 24th, 2008, 11:00 AM	#722
Ronn Kilby Major Player Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Fletcher Hills, CA Posts: 211	Fade in: ECU, Alan Greenspan. Preparing to speak before Senate hearing on $7Billion bailout. Big Al: "Lance, be sure to put my supply of Kensington Readers in the vault. After this, I'll need some liquidity." Lance: "Aye, Captain."

October 24th, 2008, 01:21 PM	#724
Steven Thomas Trustee Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 1,896	Actually that 60GB drive throws restore media errors even in HQ mode, so that's not it. The EX3 may have a tad higher data rate for USB than the EX1, but as your numbers show, it's not much. My Kensington will run 45 on the EX1 without errors and 50 it errors, so it may run 49 for all I know. Based on recent info from testing and Alister's info, the bottleneck for the Kensington / SanDisk SDHC is the EX USB limitations, not the combo. The Kensington/ Sandisk offers a sustained datarate on over 15MB/s, we only need 12.5MB/s to overcrank 24P at 60FPS.

October 24th, 2008, 04:54 PM	#727
David C. Williams Major Player Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: melb.vic.au Posts: 447	Email sent. Hard to get these in Australia at the moment.

October 25th, 2008, 06:45 AM	#728
Brian Rhodes Major Player Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 753	I call Kensington US spoke to someone in the marketing department they were clueless that the reader worked with the EX1, also ask if they notice an increase in sells. The Rep inform it was not a big selling item and it was no longer on their web site but the bar code was still active. I ask if I could buy the readers wholesale, she replied if I had one lying around I would send it to you we do not show any stock for that item. I hope the Rep was wrong.

October 25th, 2008, 06:54 AM	#729
Alex Raskin Trustee Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,435	Amazon just shipped me the Kensington adapter after a few days delay, so apparently there is some stock.

October 25th, 2008, 07:35 AM	#730
Steve Shovlar Major Player Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Dorset UK Posts: 697	You can get the Kensington with ease in the UK. Amazon.co.uk have a load of them in from different sellers all saying in stock. Just orderd one and it should be with me early next week. perhaps US based people should look towards Europe if they want one.

October 25th, 2008, 08:15 AM	#732
Alex Raskin Trustee Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,435	Ted - did you try the link in my post above? That's US Amazon and 5 Kensingtons show in stock as of now.

October 25th, 2008, 08:36 AM	#733
John Peterson Major Player Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Monroe, NY Posts: 703	I have been clicking on it all morning. It has consistently said Temporarily Out of Stock. Where did you see that it said 5 in stock Alex? John