EX3 and 35 mm still telephoto lenses at DVinfo.net

Alkim Un · September 6th, 2008, 05:05 AM

hi,

I m about to buy an EX3 and use it with 35 mm still telephoto lenses for wildlife work. but I think I need to choose old style lenses with manuel iris ring ? does sony make a 35 mm still adaptor for EX3 ? for example can't we use new nikon or canon telephoto lens with electronic iris ?

thanks,

alkım.

Steve Phillipps · September 6th, 2008, 08:35 AM

Best way to do it is just to get a simple metal adapter made up (Les Bosher - Camera Engineer or mtfservices.com). You can have one made for Nikon, Canon FD, Leica, PL, whatever. It'll be manual focus and iris, but that's as you'd want it anyway.
Can't use EOS lenses or some newer Nikons 'cos they don't have iris rings.
Sigma make some nice lenses in Nikon mount, 70-200 f2.8, 120-300 f2.8, 100-300 f4, or you could go with primes like Nikon 300 f2.8, 400 f3.5 etc. Look for internal focus lenses as they have light touch focussing rather than having to put too much pressure on the lens causing shake.
Steve

Ofer Levy · September 6th, 2008, 09:03 AM

I am planning to do exactly the same and I already got few awesome Nikon manual lenses from KEH.com

Look for the Nikon ED manual focus lenses - you can't go wrong.

Marius Boruch · September 6th, 2008, 10:09 AM

will be there any multiplier factor using 35mm lens?

Steve Phillipps · September 6th, 2008, 10:11 AM

It'll be the equivalent of about x5 or so.
Steve

Marius Boruch · September 6th, 2008, 10:44 AM

Thanks Steve;
what about when using 1/2" and 2/3" lens stock?
I assume there is no multiplier for 1/2" lens but what about 2/3"

Steve Phillipps · September 6th, 2008, 11:04 AM

Focal length of lenses never changes, it's all down to sensor size. So any lens made for a larger sensor will have more magnification when used on a smaller sensor. If you take 35mm frame size as being x1, then 2/3" is x3, 1/2" is x5 and 1/3" is x7 (roughly). So you can work them all out from that - so a 2/3" lens on 1/3" camera will have double the magnification that it would on a 2/3" camera etc.
Steve

Paul R Johnson · September 6th, 2008, 03:06 PM

I saw steve's recommendation of Les Bosher's lens adapters - I've emailed him asking about an adapter for 2/3" lenses that I have that could possibly be mated to my JVC 5000 & 500 1/2" mounts.

Alkim Un · September 7th, 2008, 03:57 AM

thanks guys,

I wish I could find nikon and use nikon 200-400 f4 lens with EX3 but unfortunately there is no manuel iris on this lens :(

ofer,

which manuel nikons have you already used ? can we see any video samples on vimeo or etc. ?

alkım.

Ofer Levy · September 7th, 2008, 05:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alkim Un

ofer,

which manuel nikons have you already used ? can we see any video samples on vimeo or etc. ?

alkım.

Hi Alkim,

Here is a clip I got using Nikon 400 f3.5, ED AIS on a Sony HVR Z7.
Sony HVR Z7 wildlife clip on Vimeo

I have used 50-300 f4.5 ED AIS, 300 f2.8 ED AIS, 400 f3.5 ED AIS, 500 f4 ED P, 600 f5.6 ED - all SUPERB lenses !!

Steve Phillipps · September 7th, 2008, 06:30 AM

Alkim, if you were desperate to use the Nikon 200-400 then a lens engineer could I'm sure fabricate an aperture ring for it, but would probably be very expensive.
How about a long 2/3" lens for you guys? Maybe a Canon HJ22x7.6 (goes upto 350mm or so). The Canon HJ18x28 is probably the lens of the choice at the moment for wildlife (certainly my favourite), but it is very expensive (about £25,000). Optically it's great, relatviely light (2.5kg) and upto 1000mm.
Steve

Andrew Davies · September 7th, 2008, 08:17 AM

Hi Steve

I'm based in Pembrokeshire. Have you tried the EX3 plus Nikon lenses? If so, how would this setup compare with a Varicam.

Thanks

Andy Davies

Steve Phillipps · September 7th, 2008, 08:37 AM

Haven't used the EX3 yet, but may do soon. Was put off it after I tried EX1 on flying bird and hated it (see my post on it, long story!)
You can get an adapter no problem, and I'm sure they'll look great. I'd go for a Sigma 120-300 f2.8 probably. If I do get to play with one I'll try and get my Canon 150-600 on it.
The images from the EX1 in still frame looked amazing, and the whole system worked pretty well. Viewfinder was crap though, much better in EX3 I gather.
Steve

Alkim Un · September 7th, 2008, 09:05 AM

logical way is to go with sigmas zooms at these conditions.

steve I ve used some 2/3" lenses. they are superb and much more easy to use but as you mentioned too expensive...

alkım.

Andrew Davies · September 7th, 2008, 01:37 PM

It will be interesting if the nanoflash makes this a serious professional wildlife camera.

September 6th, 2008, 05:05 AM	#1
Alkim Un Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Ankara, Turkey Posts: 136	EX3 and 35 mm still telephoto lenses hi, I m about to buy an EX3 and use it with 35 mm still telephoto lenses for wildlife work. but I think I need to choose old style lenses with manuel iris ring ? does sony make a 35 mm still adaptor for EX3 ? for example can't we use new nikon or canon telephoto lens with electronic iris ? thanks, alkım.

September 6th, 2008, 08:35 AM	#2
Steve Phillipps Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Wales Posts: 2,130	Best way to do it is just to get a simple metal adapter made up (Les Bosher - Camera Engineer or mtfservices.com). You can have one made for Nikon, Canon FD, Leica, PL, whatever. It'll be manual focus and iris, but that's as you'd want it anyway. Can't use EOS lenses or some newer Nikons 'cos they don't have iris rings. Sigma make some nice lenses in Nikon mount, 70-200 f2.8, 120-300 f2.8, 100-300 f4, or you could go with primes like Nikon 300 f2.8, 400 f3.5 etc. Look for internal focus lenses as they have light touch focussing rather than having to put too much pressure on the lens causing shake. Steve

September 6th, 2008, 09:03 AM	#3
Ofer Levy Major Player Join Date: May 2005 Location: Sydney-Australia Posts: 443	I am planning to do exactly the same and I already got few awesome Nikon manual lenses from KEH.com Look for the Nikon ED manual focus lenses - you can't go wrong.

September 6th, 2008, 10:09 AM	#4
Marius Boruch Major Player Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 421	will be there any multiplier factor using 35mm lens?

September 6th, 2008, 10:11 AM	#5
Steve Phillipps Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Wales Posts: 2,130	It'll be the equivalent of about x5 or so. Steve

September 6th, 2008, 10:44 AM	#6
Marius Boruch Major Player Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 421	Thanks Steve; what about when using 1/2" and 2/3" lens stock? I assume there is no multiplier for 1/2" lens but what about 2/3"

September 6th, 2008, 11:04 AM	#7
Steve Phillipps Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Wales Posts: 2,130	Focal length of lenses never changes, it's all down to sensor size. So any lens made for a larger sensor will have more magnification when used on a smaller sensor. If you take 35mm frame size as being x1, then 2/3" is x3, 1/2" is x5 and 1/3" is x7 (roughly). So you can work them all out from that - so a 2/3" lens on 1/3" camera will have double the magnification that it would on a 2/3" camera etc. Steve

September 6th, 2008, 03:06 PM	#8
Paul R Johnson Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Lowestoft - UK Posts: 4,045	I saw steve's recommendation of Les Bosher's lens adapters - I've emailed him asking about an adapter for 2/3" lenses that I have that could possibly be mated to my JVC 5000 & 500 1/2" mounts.

September 7th, 2008, 03:57 AM	#9
Alkim Un Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Ankara, Turkey Posts: 136	thanks guys, I wish I could find nikon and use nikon 200-400 f4 lens with EX3 but unfortunately there is no manuel iris on this lens :( ofer, which manuel nikons have you already used ? can we see any video samples on vimeo or etc. ? alkım.

September 7th, 2008, 06:30 AM	#11
Steve Phillipps Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Wales Posts: 2,130	Alkim, if you were desperate to use the Nikon 200-400 then a lens engineer could I'm sure fabricate an aperture ring for it, but would probably be very expensive. How about a long 2/3" lens for you guys? Maybe a Canon HJ22x7.6 (goes upto 350mm or so). The Canon HJ18x28 is probably the lens of the choice at the moment for wildlife (certainly my favourite), but it is very expensive (about £25,000). Optically it's great, relatviely light (2.5kg) and upto 1000mm. Steve

September 7th, 2008, 08:17 AM	#12
Andrew Davies Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Wales Posts: 104	Hi Steve I'm based in Pembrokeshire. Have you tried the EX3 plus Nikon lenses? If so, how would this setup compare with a Varicam. Thanks Andy Davies

September 7th, 2008, 08:37 AM	#13
Steve Phillipps Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Wales Posts: 2,130	Haven't used the EX3 yet, but may do soon. Was put off it after I tried EX1 on flying bird and hated it (see my post on it, long story!) You can get an adapter no problem, and I'm sure they'll look great. I'd go for a Sigma 120-300 f2.8 probably. If I do get to play with one I'll try and get my Canon 150-600 on it. The images from the EX1 in still frame looked amazing, and the whole system worked pretty well. Viewfinder was crap though, much better in EX3 I gather. Steve

September 7th, 2008, 09:05 AM	#14
Alkim Un Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Ankara, Turkey Posts: 136	logical way is to go with sigmas zooms at these conditions. steve I ve used some 2/3" lenses. they are superb and much more easy to use but as you mentioned too expensive... alkım.

September 7th, 2008, 01:37 PM	#15
Andrew Davies Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Wales Posts: 104	It will be interesting if the nanoflash makes this a serious professional wildlife camera.