1.11 Allows USB disk drive

Oyvind Stokkan · August 29th, 2008, 04:58 AM

I just thought of something.

Sony said, that for the 60GB disk drive to be supported by the EX1, they had to allow USB expresscard interface. Although they said it would not support 3rd party memory... Maybe it now does?

Does anybody have a Lexar memory card (or some other expresscard usb memory) available tro try with the 1.11 version of the camera?

Would be interesting to know.. If the card could write about 9 MB/s ( 70 mbits) it would be fast enough to take on overcranked footage as well..

Any thoughts?

Andrew Hollister · August 29th, 2008, 07:13 AM

I found this in another forum

Quote:

I tested the read write speeds of 1) Sony SXS 8gb card from my EX1 and 2) a Transcend 8gb card I use as a memory stick.

Using "Passmark" test software on my Vaio laptop, the cards were plugged into the Express card 34/54 slot and tested:

Results:
Sony SXS 8GIG write 4.63MBytes/sec read 31.2MBytes/sec
Transcend 8 gig write 0.68MBytes/sec read 15.4MBytes/sec

Anandtech had a review as well. Not a pretty picture, even as a thumb drive replacement.

Oyvind Stokkan · August 29th, 2008, 09:44 AM

Those numbers must be wrong.

in 720p60 the EX1 writes (on max vbr) 70 Mbit/s

which is almost 10 MB/s..

the SXS Cards can (on paper) handle 100 MB/s..

Piotr Wozniacki · August 29th, 2008, 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oyvind Stokkan

the SXS Cards can (on paper) handle 100 MB/s..

And it does - on my desktop, using the PCIexpress-based reader, I can copy to HDD at ca. 60 MBps.

Oyvind Stokkan · August 29th, 2008, 10:57 AM

Yeah..

So what I want to know is this:

Can you use an USB based SDHC reader and use fast SDHC cards?

Anybody got one?

Brian Rhodes · August 29th, 2008, 12:21 PM

I wonder if this device could be used to record SP format

Sony | MSAC-EX1 Memory Stick Duo ExpressCard Adaptor | MSAC-EX1

Andrew Hollister · August 29th, 2008, 03:38 PM

I tried this, with no luck (not with v1.11)

Oyvind Stokkan · August 29th, 2008, 03:52 PM

We know it doesn't work without 1.11. The point is, for the disk to work, they had to enable USB interface support through expresscard. So it _might_ work with the 1.11 :)

Alister Chapman · August 30th, 2008, 02:07 AM

What they have enabled is the use of an Express card to USB adapter card. The PHU-60 is essentially a USB hard drive. It connects to the camera via USB and an Express to USB adapter card. I don't know whether the adapter card is a generic card Sony have re-badged or whether it is a Sony designed card. It may be possible to buy the PHU-60 and then use different hard drives, I don't know, but you would have to find a way to power the drive. As S&Q motion doesn't work with the PHU-60 I guess if you use anything other than an SxS card you will be limited to standard frame rates.

Brian Rhodes · August 31st, 2008, 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oyvind Stokkan

We know it doesn't work without 1.11. The point is, for the disk to work, they had to enable USB interface support through expresscard. So it _might_ work with the 1.11 :)

oK updated my cam to 1.11 purchased a Lexar 8gb express put it in the Ex1 message Format card poped up. Formated the card recorded at SP and HQ modes complete. I do not know if I would try recording a paid job with the after market cards at HQ mode. The only problem is the Sony external card reader will not read the Lexar express card SSD had to use my laptop.

Giroud Francois · August 31st, 2008, 02:35 PM

so , any express card adapter to any kind of fast memory should work ?
CFExpressPro ExpressCard to CompactFlash Memory Card Adapter, (Compact Flash) Synchrotech

or to usb hard drives ?

that would be great since a 120 gig hardrive cost nothing and is far faster than any memory.

Christopher Witz · August 31st, 2008, 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian Rhodes

oK updated my cam to 1.11 purchased a Lexar 8gb express put it in the Ex1 message Format card poped up. Formated the card recorded at SP and HQ modes complete. I do not know if I would try recording a paid job with the after market cards at HQ mode. The only problem is the Sony external card reader will not read the Lexar express card SSD had to use my laptop.

oh my.... can you shoot some rippling water.... even at 720 60p and see if it holds up?

googling some express cards leads me to some cheap prices.... but the SSD SATA drives via a sata cable>express sata gets me excited!

Giroud Francois · August 31st, 2008, 02:56 PM

i am not sure ripling water would change anything, the bandwith is fixed ( i think).

Steve Shovlar · August 31st, 2008, 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian Rhodes

oK updated my cam to 1.11 purchased a Lexar 8gb express put it in the Ex1 message Format card poped up. Formated the card recorded at SP and HQ modes complete. I do not know if I would try recording a paid job with the after market cards at HQ mode. The only problem is the Sony external card reader will not read the Lexar express card SSD had to use my laptop.

So you are saying non sxs transcend 8 and 16Gb cards now work in the EX1?

If so thats a hell of a saving on sxs prices if the quality holds up.

Brian Rhodes · August 31st, 2008, 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Shovlar

So you are saying non sxs transcend 8 and 16Gb cards now work in the EX1?

If so thats a hell of a saving on sxs prices if the quality holds up.

Have only tried Lexar 8GB SSD cards two min clips I will try to do more extensive testing tomr.

August 29th, 2008, 04:58 AM	#1
Oyvind Stokkan Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Grimstad, Norway Posts: 112	1.11 Allows USB disk drive - Will it allow USB memory? I just thought of something. Sony said, that for the 60GB disk drive to be supported by the EX1, they had to allow USB expresscard interface. Although they said it would not support 3rd party memory... Maybe it now does? Does anybody have a Lexar memory card (or some other expresscard usb memory) available tro try with the 1.11 version of the camera? Would be interesting to know.. If the card could write about 9 MB/s ( 70 mbits) it would be fast enough to take on overcranked footage as well.. Any thoughts? __________________ PMW-EX1 and Letus Extreme user www.oyvindstokkan.no

August 29th, 2008, 09:44 AM	#3
Oyvind Stokkan Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Grimstad, Norway Posts: 112	Those numbers must be wrong. in 720p60 the EX1 writes (on max vbr) 70 Mbit/s which is almost 10 MB/s.. the SXS Cards can (on paper) handle 100 MB/s.. __________________ PMW-EX1 and Letus Extreme user www.oyvindstokkan.no

August 29th, 2008, 10:57 AM	#5
Oyvind Stokkan Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Grimstad, Norway Posts: 112	Yeah.. So what I want to know is this: Can you use an USB based SDHC reader and use fast SDHC cards? Anybody got one? __________________ PMW-EX1 and Letus Extreme user www.oyvindstokkan.no

August 29th, 2008, 03:38 PM	#7
Andrew Hollister Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Decatur, GA Posts: 198	I tried this, with no luck (not with v1.11) __________________ Sony EX1 v1.11, crap loads of SxS, Macs w/ Final Cut Studio

August 29th, 2008, 03:52 PM	#8
Oyvind Stokkan Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Grimstad, Norway Posts: 112	We know it doesn't work without 1.11. The point is, for the disk to work, they had to enable USB interface support through expresscard. So it _might_ work with the 1.11 :) __________________ PMW-EX1 and Letus Extreme user www.oyvindstokkan.no

August 29th, 2008, 12:21 PM	#6
Brian Rhodes Major Player Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 753	I wonder if this device could be used to record SP format Sony \| MSAC-EX1 Memory Stick Duo ExpressCard Adaptor \| MSAC-EX1

August 30th, 2008, 02:07 AM	#9
Alister Chapman Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Bracknell, Berkshire, UK Posts: 4,957	What they have enabled is the use of an Express card to USB adapter card. The PHU-60 is essentially a USB hard drive. It connects to the camera via USB and an Express to USB adapter card. I don't know whether the adapter card is a generic card Sony have re-badged or whether it is a Sony designed card. It may be possible to buy the PHU-60 and then use different hard drives, I don't know, but you would have to find a way to power the drive. As S&Q motion doesn't work with the PHU-60 I guess if you use anything other than an SxS card you will be limited to standard frame rates. __________________ Alister Chapman, Film-Maker/Stormchaser http://www.xdcam-user.com/alisters-blog/ My XDCAM site and blog. http://www.hurricane-rig.com

August 31st, 2008, 02:35 PM	#11
Giroud Francois Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: switzerland Posts: 2,133	so , any express card adapter to any kind of fast memory should work ? CFExpressPro ExpressCard to CompactFlash Memory Card Adapter, (Compact Flash) Synchrotech or to usb hard drives ? that would be great since a 120 gig hardrive cost nothing and is far faster than any memory.

August 31st, 2008, 02:56 PM	#13
Giroud Francois Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: switzerland Posts: 2,133	i am not sure ripling water would change anything, the bandwith is fixed ( i think).