More EX1 issues...boooo... at DVinfo.net

Chris Aaron · March 22nd, 2008, 09:13 PM

1. I feel like I can never pan the camera slowly (or medium speed). When I pan slowly the camera completely distorts at 24p or 30p.

2. My shallow focus sometimes shows a doubled image only half blurred.

3. The shutter speed at 1/48th (I want the film look darn it - is that so wrong?) is WAY TOO MUCH and doesn't look filmmy at all...it looks like I'm using a cheesy special effect (but 1/60th is not quite enough)

4. FLICKER...it seems like every other shot I take there is an ubsurd amount of flicker (in daylight)...anyone know how to stop this...I really think its a manufacturing defect...

Does anyone else have these problems? Or has this dead horse been beatin on already?

Eric Pascarelli · March 22nd, 2008, 09:25 PM

Can you post some clips of these phenomena?

Maybe we can figure out what's happening.

Chris Aaron · March 22nd, 2008, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Eric Pascarelli

Can you post some clips of these phenomena?

Maybe we can figure out what's happening.

how do I do that again? what!? I'm a greenhorn...never posted stuff...

Alexander Kubalsky · March 22nd, 2008, 10:46 PM

What are you viewing the footage on? The LCD Screen of the EX ?
What are you editing on? Can you capture jpeg stills from the timeline and post to show this double image? Its easy to do here.
Sounds like its stuck in some kind of slow shutter mode. But Im no expert. Might be worth reseting whole camera to factory settings, then set shutter to on,1/48 again.

Don Greening · March 23rd, 2008, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Aaron

how do I do that again? what!? I'm a greenhorn...never posted stuff...

Chris,

Just export a couple of frame grabs from your NLE. Then here at DVinfo just look down below the "reply to thread" box and you'll see the "additional options" box. Click on "manage attachments". Select one of the "choose file" buttons and a dialogue box will come up where you can navigate to the picture on your hard drive. Select the picture(s) and attach them to your post. Consider down scaling the pictures before you attach them to keep the file sizes manageable. They'll take up less room on the DVinfo server. If the pictures aren't already in JPEG format then convert them to reduce the file size even further.

- Don

Michael Maier · March 23rd, 2008, 03:51 AM

Chris, is this your first full HD real progressive camera? It seems to me you are in need of some classes on how to shoot with a 24p or film camera. All the complains you listed are typical of somebody used to shoot video trying to use a film camera or 24p one. 24p as film in 24fps will flicker if you don't know how to pan it. There's no dead horse here really. The EX1 has/had some first run issues just like any camera. But what you are describing sounds like operator error. Really, a 1/48 shutter is a 1/48 shutter, not much around that. The only reason to find it too much is if you're used to 60i video. Sony has been making cameras for decades and they make the highest end camera in the HD market. I'm pretty sure they would know what a 1/48 shutter is. :)
Good luck!

Michael H. Stevens · March 23rd, 2008, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Eric Pascarelli

Can you post some clips of these phenomena?

Maybe we can figure out what's happening.

You do not need to post clips this is well known - I get same thing. This camera will not pan, even very slowly, any vertical lines (my reported problem was with trees) when in a progressive mode. Try 60i and I think you may be able to get away with it.

Steven Thomas · March 23rd, 2008, 06:05 PM

I've been editing hours upon hours of 24P from the EX1, it sure looks like good old 24P to me.

Please post an image. We can only "guess" what you are seeing. Maybe there's an issue with your camera.

Charles Papert · March 23rd, 2008, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael H. Stevens

You don not need to post clips this is well known - I get same thing. This camera will not pan, even very slowly, any vertical lines (my reported problem was with trees) when in a progressive mode. Try 60i and I think you may be able to get away with it.

Please see the first shot of my film and examine the vertical lines during the pan--this was shot in 24p mode. I saw no problems.

http://web.mac.com/chupap/Films/tablemannerslarge.html

Peter Wright · March 24th, 2008, 02:38 AM

Great scene Charles, very nicely shot - and good to see that you, like Mrs. Green, had no problem with the verticals.

Greg Patch · March 24th, 2008, 07:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charles Papert

Please see the first shot of my film and examine the vertical lines during the pan--this was shot in 24p mode. I saw no problems.

http://web.mac.com/chupap/Films/tablemannerslarge.html

Great scene. I get the same lines with mine too. Mine does it in 60i

Steven Thomas · March 24th, 2008, 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greg Patch

Great scene. I get the same lines with mine too. Mine does it in 60i

What lines?

Dennis Schmitz · March 24th, 2008, 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steven Thomas

What lines?

There could be a problem with his videoplayer.
I had a strange problem with ZoomPlayer and Haalis Media Renderer, which uses Pixelshader2.0 for up- and downscaling.

The scaling produced ugly artifacts when panning. Fixed it by scaling using ffdshow codec.
Don't know why....

regards Dennis

Eric Pascarelli · March 24th, 2008, 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steven Thomas

What lines?

I'm with Steven here - I don't see any lines - the image looks perfect to me.

Perhaps some of Chris Aaron's issues are due to his PC/software and not the camera?

Dan Gunn · March 24th, 2008, 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charles Papert

Please see the first shot of my film and examine the vertical lines during the pan--this was shot in 24p mode. I saw no problems.

http://web.mac.com/chupap/Films/tablemannerslarge.html

Very, very nice! I love it. What were your camera settings? Processing?

JoJo Gunn

March 22nd, 2008, 09:13 PM	#1
Chris Aaron New Boot Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Baton Rouge Louisiana Posts: 14	More EX1 issues...boooo... 1. I feel like I can never pan the camera slowly (or medium speed). When I pan slowly the camera completely distorts at 24p or 30p. 2. My shallow focus sometimes shows a doubled image only half blurred. 3. The shutter speed at 1/48th (I want the film look darn it - is that so wrong?) is WAY TOO MUCH and doesn't look filmmy at all...it looks like I'm using a cheesy special effect (but 1/60th is not quite enough) 4. FLICKER...it seems like every other shot I take there is an ubsurd amount of flicker (in daylight)...anyone know how to stop this...I really think its a manufacturing defect... Does anyone else have these problems? Or has this dead horse been beatin on already?

March 22nd, 2008, 09:25 PM	#2
Eric Pascarelli Major Player Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 498	Can you post some clips of these phenomena? Maybe we can figure out what's happening.

March 22nd, 2008, 10:46 PM	#4
Alexander Kubalsky Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Japan Posts: 172	What are you viewing the footage on? The LCD Screen of the EX ? What are you editing on? Can you capture jpeg stills from the timeline and post to show this double image? Its easy to do here. Sounds like its stuck in some kind of slow shutter mode. But Im no expert. Might be worth reseting whole camera to factory settings, then set shutter to on,1/48 again.

March 23rd, 2008, 03:51 AM	#6
Michael Maier Trustee Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,269	Chris, is this your first full HD real progressive camera? It seems to me you are in need of some classes on how to shoot with a 24p or film camera. All the complains you listed are typical of somebody used to shoot video trying to use a film camera or 24p one. 24p as film in 24fps will flicker if you don't know how to pan it. There's no dead horse here really. The EX1 has/had some first run issues just like any camera. But what you are describing sounds like operator error. Really, a 1/48 shutter is a 1/48 shutter, not much around that. The only reason to find it too much is if you're used to 60i video. Sony has been making cameras for decades and they make the highest end camera in the HD market. I'm pretty sure they would know what a 1/48 shutter is. :) Good luck!

March 23rd, 2008, 06:05 PM	#8
Steven Thomas Trustee Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 1,896	I've been editing hours upon hours of 24P from the EX1, it sure looks like good old 24P to me. Please post an image. We can only "guess" what you are seeing. Maybe there's an issue with your camera.

March 24th, 2008, 02:38 AM	#10
Peter Wright Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 193	Great scene Charles, very nicely shot - and good to see that you, like Mrs. Green, had no problem with the verticals.