Sony EX1 versus Canon XH A1...

Wolfgang Winne · January 27th, 2008, 10:21 AM

Steven Thomas · January 27th, 2008, 10:32 AM

Wolfgang, EX1 file is ony 112KB. Something must of happened to your file. Actually for that matter, none of the EX1 files work.

Wolfgang Winne · January 27th, 2008, 10:39 AM

>Wolfgang, EX1 file is ony 112KB. Something must of happened to your file. Actually for that matter, none of the EX1 files work.<

Upppsss..... now right! thanks....

Steven Thomas · January 27th, 2008, 11:19 AM

In this images, I don't see much sensitivity difference between these cameras.
This is odd since I've seen a difference before. Where you trying to match exposures?
Without camera specifics such as f-stop, gain, ect... , it's hard to compare at least sensitivity.

Other than that. I'd say they are very close. I see you got the lens wet on the EX1 on the car street shot. Also, although CMOS has it's downfalls (that's for sure ;) ), I really like how it handles the lights at night without the CCD streaks. Also, the CA looked better on the EX1.

Brad Vaughan · January 27th, 2008, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Wolfgang Winne

Here now the LowLight files from Ex1 + XHA1.

Hmmm, I'm very pleased with the image quality form the EX when compared to the A1. That's saying alot for me being that I have always preferred Canon's IQ over Sony's IQ. And this is in low-light!

Very interesting.

Wolfgang Winne · January 27th, 2008, 11:59 AM

If you show the samples on a good 40 zoll FullHD Flatscreen, is the difference between Sony and Canon greater...... the EX1 files are cleaner (35MBit) in details (no red+blue CA).
Only in full Zoom is the XHA1 better, here is my EX1 very bad with red/blue CA.

Wolfgang Winne · January 27th, 2008, 12:09 PM

http://www.fxsupport.de/test/ex1_00.jpg

EX1 Sample of full zoom.

Steven Thomas · January 27th, 2008, 12:49 PM

Wolfgang, consider that interlaced shot, full zoom branches against a sky, I'm actually really pleased with the low CA. My JVC HD100 would of been horrible on this shot, so would of the Sony Z1.

Nelson Maldonado · February 20th, 2008, 12:08 PM

Wolfgang,

Are the EX1 and A1 files, you provide links to, the capture files (converted or not) for use in premiere CS3 for edit testing?

Or are they recompressed output files from your editing system?

I'd like to test my premiere CS3 system on some EX1 samples.

Wolfgang Winne · February 20th, 2008, 12:52 PM

<Or are they recompressed output files from your editing system?

No, i read the files from the SXS memory with Sonys Picturesoft and export to MXF.... thats native.

Nelson Maldonado · February 21st, 2008, 01:57 AM

thanks a lot!

Michael Mann · February 21st, 2008, 04:32 AM

Thank you, Wolfgang, for sharing.
I am not pleased by the significant CA of the EX1 in full tele - the A1 looks better here. The better optics of the EX1 should show less CA in tele, even more since the EX1 has a reduced tele range (only x12 compared to x20 of the A1). How is this possible? Has anyone else found increased CA in EX1' tele shots?

Nelson Maldonado · February 21st, 2008, 11:16 PM

Wolfgang,

what pp CS3 presets do i use to import the EX1 and H1 clips?

Michael H. Stevens · February 21st, 2008, 11:45 PM

I don't see how these comparisons are meaningful with out posting your paint settings?

January 27th, 2008, 10:21 AM	#16
Wolfgang Winne Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Bremen, Germany Posts: 176	Here now the LowLight files from Ex1 + XHA1. EX1 35MBit: http://www.archive.org/download/ex1_...EX1_01.mxf.mpg http://www.archive.org/download/ex1_...EX1_02.mxf.mpg http://www.archive.org/download/ex1_...EX1_03.mxf.mpg http://www.archive.org/download/ex1_...EX1_04.mxf.mpg http://www.archive.org/download/ex1_...EX1_05.mxf.mpg Canon XH A1 25Mbit: http://www.archive.org/download/ex1_...HA1_01.m2t.mpg http://www.archive.org/download/ex1_...HA1_02.m2t.mpg http://www.archive.org/download/ex1_...HA1_03.m2t.mpg http://www.archive.org/download/ex1_...HA1_04.m2t.mpg http://www.archive.org/download/ex1_...HA1_05.m2t.mpg In the first sample(01), the EX1 goes with the Gain from -3dB to +6dB and to +18dB. The Canon from -3dB to +6dB to +12 dB. Shutter 100. The sample 02-05 ist filmed in gain +6dB. __________________ Wolfgang Winne www.ohrwurmaudio.de www.fxsupport.de

January 27th, 2008, 10:39 AM	#18
Wolfgang Winne Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Bremen, Germany Posts: 176	>Wolfgang, EX1 file is ony 112KB. Something must of happened to your file. Actually for that matter, none of the EX1 files work.< Upppsss..... now right! thanks.... __________________ Wolfgang Winne www.ohrwurmaudio.de www.fxsupport.de

January 27th, 2008, 11:19 AM	#19
Steven Thomas Trustee Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 1,896	In this images, I don't see much sensitivity difference between these cameras. This is odd since I've seen a difference before. Where you trying to match exposures? Without camera specifics such as f-stop, gain, ect... , it's hard to compare at least sensitivity. Other than that. I'd say they are very close. I see you got the lens wet on the EX1 on the car street shot. Also, although CMOS has it's downfalls (that's for sure ;) ), I really like how it handles the lights at night without the CCD streaks. Also, the CA looked better on the EX1. Last edited by Steven Thomas; January 27th, 2008 at 01:20 PM.

January 27th, 2008, 11:59 AM	#21
Wolfgang Winne Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Bremen, Germany Posts: 176	If you show the samples on a good 40 zoll FullHD Flatscreen, is the difference between Sony and Canon greater...... the EX1 files are cleaner (35MBit) in details (no red+blue CA). Only in full Zoom is the XHA1 better, here is my EX1 very bad with red/blue CA. __________________ Wolfgang Winne www.ohrwurmaudio.de www.fxsupport.de

January 27th, 2008, 12:09 PM	#22
Wolfgang Winne Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Bremen, Germany Posts: 176	http://www.fxsupport.de/test/ex1_00.jpg EX1 Sample of full zoom. Attached Thumbnails __________________ Wolfgang Winne www.ohrwurmaudio.de www.fxsupport.de

January 27th, 2008, 10:32 AM	#17
Steven Thomas Trustee Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 1,896	Wolfgang, EX1 file is ony 112KB. Something must of happened to your file. Actually for that matter, none of the EX1 files work.

January 27th, 2008, 12:49 PM	#23
Steven Thomas Trustee Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 1,896	Wolfgang, consider that interlaced shot, full zoom branches against a sky, I'm actually really pleased with the low CA. My JVC HD100 would of been horrible on this shot, so would of the Sony Z1.

February 20th, 2008, 12:08 PM	#24
Nelson Maldonado Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Canton, Michigan, USA Posts: 50	Wolfgang, Are the EX1 and A1 files, you provide links to, the capture files (converted or not) for use in premiere CS3 for edit testing? Or are they recompressed output files from your editing system? I'd like to test my premiere CS3 system on some EX1 samples.

February 20th, 2008, 12:52 PM	#25
Wolfgang Winne Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Bremen, Germany Posts: 176	<Or are they recompressed output files from your editing system? No, i read the files from the SXS memory with Sonys Picturesoft and export to MXF.... thats native. __________________ Wolfgang Winne www.ohrwurmaudio.de www.fxsupport.de

February 21st, 2008, 01:57 AM	#26
Nelson Maldonado Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Canton, Michigan, USA Posts: 50	thanks a lot!

February 21st, 2008, 04:32 AM	#27
Michael Mann Major Player Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Kelkheim, Germany Posts: 375	Significant CA in tele Thank you, Wolfgang, for sharing. I am not pleased by the significant CA of the EX1 in full tele - the A1 looks better here. The better optics of the EX1 should show less CA in tele, even more since the EX1 has a reduced tele range (only x12 compared to x20 of the A1). How is this possible? Has anyone else found increased CA in EX1' tele shots? __________________ Michael Last edited by Michael Mann; February 21st, 2008 at 11:42 AM.

February 21st, 2008, 11:16 PM	#28
Nelson Maldonado Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Canton, Michigan, USA Posts: 50	Wolfgang, what pp CS3 presets do i use to import the EX1 and H1 clips?

February 21st, 2008, 11:45 PM	#29
Michael H. Stevens Major Player Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Palm Desert, California Posts: 311	I don't see how these comparisons are meaningful with out posting your paint settings?