Worse problem than vignetting at DVinfo.net

Craig Waddell · January 10th, 2008, 01:39 AM

I have been noticing a problem with my Ex-1 that I feel is a much worse problem than vignetting. If you look closely at all four corners of the attached jpeg, I think you may agree that I'm getting some VinDieseling. Has anybody else been experiencing similar problems?

Paul Joy · January 10th, 2008, 04:23 AM

Apparently Sony are aware of the issue and have sent a special rack out to each country that will allow the technicians to remove the VinDieseling.

Does he still appear with OIS off?

;)

Piotr Wozniacki · January 10th, 2008, 05:05 AM

Guys, English not being my first language - could you explain the joke to me? "VinDieseling" doesn't ring any bell other than "driving a vintage diesel 1924 Mercedes" :)

Phil Bloom · January 10th, 2008, 05:49 AM

I have spoken to my dealer about this issue and he says it is specific to the continental US and Canada, thankfully.

I would advise anyone suffering from this issue to contact their dealers immediately. It could have been worse, at least you can zoom in a bit and lose his chrome dome.

How did this slip through the Sony QC?

Christopher Witz · January 10th, 2008, 07:38 AM

Sony contacted me about this and said they have a "fast and furious" fix for it.

Ian Smith · January 10th, 2008, 09:07 AM

I was wondering how long it would be before that problem reared its "ugly head".

Alas the Sony fix mentioned above doesn't work: because it re-introduces the vignetting problem: mine now appears to be "Pitch Black" at the corners.

Greg Boston · January 10th, 2008, 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Piotr Wozniacki

Guys, English not being my first language - could you explain the joke to me? "VinDieseling" doesn't ring any bell other than "driving a vintage diesel 1924 Mercedes" :)

That is the name of an action movie actor who's head appears in the corner of the frame in that post above.

-gb-

Piotr Wozniacki · January 10th, 2008, 09:12 AM

Thanks, Greg :)

Greg Patch · January 10th, 2008, 09:37 AM

your EX-1 is living it's life 10fps at a time

Chris Forbes · January 10th, 2008, 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Craig Waddell

I have been noticing a problem with my Ex-1 that I feel is a much worse problem than vignetting. If you look closely at all four corners of the attached jpeg, I think you may agree that I'm getting some VinDieseling. Has anybody else been experiencing similar problems?

I belive that is the new anti-p*rn feature on the EX1. Have you been shooting any "XXX" features with this

Ali Husain · January 10th, 2008, 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Craig Waddell

I have been noticing a problem with my Ex-1 that I feel is a much worse problem than vignetting. If you look closely at all four corners of the attached jpeg, I think you may agree that I'm getting some VinDieseling. Has anybody else been experiencing similar problems?

more proof that the hvx200 has a better image... er wait, was that the hv20?

:)

Leo Versola · January 10th, 2008, 07:09 PM

HA HA! ROTF -- LMFAO!!!! Whew, that was good :-)

Definitely needed some humor like this to take the edge off all the super serious banter and debate that's been going on all over about the EX1. And as a first post, it's absolutely classic...

Charles Papert · January 10th, 2008, 08:15 PM

Love it, guys!

Peter Moretti · January 10th, 2008, 09:12 PM

Dude, I have a pretty simple workaround that you might want to use, instead of having to part with your beloved EX1.

Use the Brevis CF1 diffuser (NOT the CF1L) with the Letus flip module (NOT the Brevis one) this will add enough native vignetting to compete with the VinDieseling.

Attach an iridium core magnet (you can get them off of eBay under the NASA section) to flip the image so you can lookout for inverted VinDieseling, which is a royal PITA.

Capture using a gnu licensed app called something split or dub (I'll get back to you later with the name) b/c Vin isn't down with the public domain. Import into a Media Composer v2.5x (but not later b/c of a lack of Celeron support) 1080 24p timeline with a pulldown. The VinDieseling will now be on every fourth frame. Render out as Quicktime Animation and bring it into an After Effects RGB color space (one of the great things about Adobe). Applying AE's anti-vignetting filter, which will insure that any Vin's not pulldown by Avid will be essentially unnoticeable to the viewer. Render as lossless AVI. Import into DVFilmaker or TMPGEnc Xpress 4.0 to remove the pulldowned, non-inverted, RGB, de-vignetted Vin Diesels and import into Vegas.

... Or you could just use Cineform.

P.S. Kudos to Craig :)!

Brian Ladue · January 10th, 2008, 11:14 PM

That's Hilarious! I needed a good laugh....thanks guys

January 10th, 2008, 01:39 AM	#1
Craig Waddell New Boot Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Vancouver, B.C. Canada Posts: 6	Worse problem than vignetting I have been noticing a problem with my Ex-1 that I feel is a much worse problem than vignetting. If you look closely at all four corners of the attached jpeg, I think you may agree that I'm getting some VinDieseling. Has anybody else been experiencing similar problems? Attached Thumbnails

January 10th, 2008, 04:23 AM	#2
Paul Joy Major Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Norfolk, UK Posts: 627	Apparently Sony are aware of the issue and have sent a special rack out to each country that will allow the technicians to remove the VinDieseling. Does he still appear with OIS off? ;) __________________ Blog: www.pauljoy.com Company: www.videotrader.co.uk

January 10th, 2008, 05:05 AM	#3
Piotr Wozniacki Inner Circle Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Poland Posts: 4,086	Guys, English not being my first language - could you explain the joke to me? "VinDieseling" doesn't ring any bell other than "driving a vintage diesel 1924 Mercedes" :) __________________ Sony PXW-FS7 \| DaVinci Resolve Studio; Magix Vegas Pro; i7-5960X CPU; 64 GB RAM; 2x GTX 1080 8GB GPU; Decklink 4K Extreme 12G; 4x 3TB WD Black in RAID 0; 1TB M.2 NVMe cache drive

January 10th, 2008, 05:49 AM	#4
Phil Bloom Trustee Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: London UK Posts: 1,939	I have spoken to my dealer about this issue and he says it is specific to the continental US and Canada, thankfully. I would advise anyone suffering from this issue to contact their dealers immediately. It could have been worse, at least you can zoom in a bit and lose his chrome dome. How did this slip through the Sony QC? __________________ Philip Bloom Cinematographer, Director, Filmmaker www.philipbloom.net

January 10th, 2008, 09:12 AM	#8
Piotr Wozniacki Inner Circle Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Poland Posts: 4,086	Thanks, Greg :) __________________ Sony PXW-FS7 \| DaVinci Resolve Studio; Magix Vegas Pro; i7-5960X CPU; 64 GB RAM; 2x GTX 1080 8GB GPU; Decklink 4K Extreme 12G; 4x 3TB WD Black in RAID 0; 1TB M.2 NVMe cache drive

January 10th, 2008, 07:38 AM	#5
Christopher Witz Major Player Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 591	Sony contacted me about this and said they have a "fast and furious" fix for it.

January 10th, 2008, 09:07 AM	#6
Ian Smith Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: London, UK Posts: 84	I was wondering how long it would be before that problem reared its "ugly head". Alas the Sony fix mentioned above doesn't work: because it re-introduces the vignetting problem: mine now appears to be "Pitch Black" at the corners.

January 10th, 2008, 09:37 AM	#9
Greg Patch Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Huntsville, Alabama Posts: 181	your EX-1 is living it's life 10fps at a time

January 10th, 2008, 07:09 PM	#12
Leo Versola Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 73	HA HA! ROTF -- LMFAO!!!! Whew, that was good :-) Definitely needed some humor like this to take the edge off all the super serious banter and debate that's been going on all over about the EX1. And as a first post, it's absolutely classic...

January 10th, 2008, 08:15 PM	#13
Charles Papert Wrangler Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 6,810	Love it, guys! __________________ Charles Papert www.charlespapert.com

January 10th, 2008, 09:12 PM	#14
Peter Moretti Trustee Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Sherman Oaks, CA Posts: 1,259	Dude, I have a pretty simple workaround that you might want to use, instead of having to part with your beloved EX1. Use the Brevis CF1 diffuser (NOT the CF1L) with the Letus flip module (NOT the Brevis one) this will add enough native vignetting to compete with the VinDieseling. Attach an iridium core magnet (you can get them off of eBay under the NASA section) to flip the image so you can lookout for inverted VinDieseling, which is a royal PITA. Capture using a gnu licensed app called something split or dub (I'll get back to you later with the name) b/c Vin isn't down with the public domain. Import into a Media Composer v2.5x (but not later b/c of a lack of Celeron support) 1080 24p timeline with a pulldown. The VinDieseling will now be on every fourth frame. Render out as Quicktime Animation and bring it into an After Effects RGB color space (one of the great things about Adobe). Applying AE's anti-vignetting filter, which will insure that any Vin's not pulldown by Avid will be essentially unnoticeable to the viewer. Render as lossless AVI. Import into DVFilmaker or TMPGEnc Xpress 4.0 to remove the pulldowned, non-inverted, RGB, de-vignetted Vin Diesels and import into Vegas. ... Or you could just use Cineform. P.S. Kudos to Craig :)!

January 10th, 2008, 11:14 PM	#15
Brian Ladue Regular Crew Join Date: May 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 149	That's Hilarious! I needed a good laugh....thanks guys