Alternative to Clip viewer? at DVinfo.net

Ola Christoffersson · January 4th, 2008, 06:32 PM

After reading the manual to Clip viewer I have not been able to figure out a way to play all the clips on a card or in a folder in sequence. I would like to be able to hit play, lean back and watch the whole "tape" of recordings after a days shoot.
Now - has anyone found a good way of doing this without importing into editing software? The only way I have come close is by dragging all of the mp4-files to VLC-player but then I don't get any audio.

David Schmerin · January 5th, 2008, 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ola Christoffersson

After reading the manual to Clip viewer I have not been able to figure out a way to play all the clips on a card or in a folder in sequence. I would like to be able to hit play, lean back and watch the whole "tape" of recordings after a days shoot.
Now - has anyone found a good way of doing this without importing into editing software? The only way I have come close is by dragging all of the mp4-files to VLC-player but then I don't get any audio.

If you don't mind watching all your on the little monitor built into the camera, you can putting the camera in Media mode highlighting the first clip and pressing the play button. The camera will play all clips forward. If you are looking to view them on an external monitor, I think the only way is to use the HD/SDI out.

David Schmerin
www.GotFootageHD.com

Andrew Wilson · January 5th, 2008, 12:14 PM

So if you play back out of the camera, the component video outs don't carry a signal?

I was going to suggest playing back out of the camera to a consumer DVD recorder using component video out.

EDIT: I just checked the manual and the component video outs (and composite) work during playback. I believe I also read that if you play the first clip, the second one plays and so on to the end of the tape.

I guess you would have to get a headphone to RCA cable to run audio out of the camera.

So until Sony makes an SxS player (like Panny's P2 field player) then that's how it's done.

Ola Christoffersson · January 5th, 2008, 12:40 PM

Thank you guys! I am aware of all the possibilities of playback from the camera (yes Andrew, the component output works as well as SDI).
What I am talking about is playback of clips already dumped to a harddrive. Apart from the very latest recorded material all of my footage will be on harddrive.
Also, hooking up the camera for playback is not a good every day solution.
Using the computer for playback is also for me the only way to watch the clips att full quality on my 24" 1920x1200 LCD-screen. Although I can connect it through component as well that does not give me image quality near that of computer playback.

Today I realised I can also use Zoom Player to play back mp4-clips if I change the extension to .ts but zoom player does not give me audio either. Does anyone know if the audio actually is embedded in the mp4-file or if it is stored in a separate file?

Sebastien Thomas · January 6th, 2008, 12:55 PM

The way I do it is :

-copy the files (MP4 + data) to an external hard drive (from a MacBookPro 17")

- drop the MP4 file to VLC (or the the VLC playlist to have them all the way to the end) (get VLC here : http://www.videolan.org/ ). You won't get any sound ad VLC does not know how to get it from the MP4 file.

- use FFMPEG to get the video (mpeg2) and audio (wave) out of the MP4 file, then see the movie. You will need twice the disk space though...

I'm in the process of writing a script (sheel or applescript) to automaticaly dump the files from the SxS to a harddrive, and maybe extract the files to a .mov with both video and sound. Maybe also generate a playlist file and open it in VLC... I'll post when it's done.

Ola Christoffersson · January 6th, 2008, 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sebastien Thomas

The way I do it is :

-copy the files (MP4 + data) to an external hard drive (from a MacBookPro 17")

- drop the MP4 file to VLC (or the the VLC playlist to have them all the way to the end) (get VLC here : http://www.videolan.org/ ). You won't get any sound ad VLC does not know how to get it from the MP4 file.

- use FFMPEG to get the video (mpeg2) and audio (wave) out of the MP4 file, then see the movie. You will need twice the disk space though...

I'm in the process of writing a script (sheel or applescript) to automaticaly dump the files from the SxS to a harddrive, and maybe extract the files to a .mov with both video and sound. Maybe also generate a playlist file and open it in VLC... I'll post when it's done.

Thank you for your tip! However, wouldn't it be easier to just let Clip browser export to MXF. MXF-files play back with audio in VLC.
What I am looking for is some kind of player that lets you build a playlist and that recognizes both video and audio.
Maybe this is something that the geeks involved in the HTPC-world can answer? There is an application called graph edit that I don't really get that is supposed to let you analyse and choose codecs for both audio and video in a clip.

Andreas Johansson · January 9th, 2008, 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ola Christoffersson

Thank you for your tip! However, wouldn't it be easier to just let Clip browser export to MXF. MXF-files play back with audio in VLC.
What I am looking for is some kind of player that lets you build a playlist and that recognizes both video and audio.
Maybe this is something that the geeks involved in the HTPC-world can answer? There is an application called graph edit that I don't really get that is supposed to let you analyse and choose codecs for both audio and video in a clip.

Vlc can be used in playlist mode, check its menus and add all .mxf files.

Ola Christoffersson · January 9th, 2008, 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andreas Johansson

Vlc can be used in playlist mode, check its menus and add all .mxf files.

I know that Andreas! As stated in my original post. :-) Now let me be completely clear about this. I am looking for a player that can play back the EX1 .mp4-clips with audio and let you build playlists or play all files in a folder in sequence. That's all...is that too much to ask for...? ;-)

Andreas Johansson · January 9th, 2008, 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ola Christoffersson

I know that Andreas! As stated in my original post. :-) Now let me be completely clear about this. I am looking for a player that can play back the EX1 .mp4-clips with audio and let you build playlists or play all files in a folder in sequence. That's all...is that too much to ask for...? ;-)

Yeah way to much to ask for :), I will look and see if mplayer can do the trick.

Vincent Mesman · January 9th, 2008, 02:41 PM

Buy SpeedEdit v1.5 from Newtek for a few hundred euro's.
Drop the clip on the storyboard or timeline and hit spacebar to start playback.
It will playback both mxf and mp4 files, including audio.
Converting with FFMPEG first (to any high bandwidth non-long-GOP format) will give even better results.

VLC player will playback both file formats on the fly.

FFMPEG is great for conversion to uncompressed or (lossless) compressed formats.

VirtualDub is great for upsampling from 4:2:0 to 4:4:4 colorspace. Great for chroma keying, color timing or mastering.

AviSynth is great for converting interlaced PAL or NTSC to progressive double frame-rate (50 fps PAL and 59,94 fps NTSC) to make it more compatible with 1080p50, 720p50, 1080p60, 720p60.

Andreas Johansson · January 9th, 2008, 02:54 PM

Ola try mplayer. I can't try it now its Tiger only in OSX but there is win32 verisons at:

http://www.mplayerhq.hu/

Tuomas Sebastien · January 9th, 2008, 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vincent Mesman

Converting with FFMPEG first (to any high bandwidth non-long-GOP format) will give even better results.
-
FFMPEG is great for conversion to uncompressed or (lossless) compressed formats.

Could you give some examples of what type of conversions you've found useful? What switches I need to use with ffmpeg?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vincent Mesman

VirtualDub is great for upsampling from 4:2:0 to 4:4:4 colorspace. Great for chroma keying, color timing or mastering.

I guess this would require a conversion to file that VirtualDub can understand, what would you recomend? Can't i do upsampling with ffmpeg?

Ola Christoffersson · January 9th, 2008, 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andreas Johansson

Ola try mplayer. I can't try it now its Tiger only in OSX but there is win32 verisons at:

http://www.mplayerhq.hu/

YES! that did the trick. Now I can watch/log footage anywhere with only a computer and the firewire drive with the mp4:s. Much better than clip browser.

Thank you!

Paul Dhadialla · January 9th, 2008, 06:08 PM

Ola, does the program allow for say output through a Black Magic intensity card so we can play to a TV
Thanks
Paul

Ola Christoffersson · January 10th, 2008, 02:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Dhadialla

Ola, does the program allow for say output through a Black Magic intensity card so we can play to a TV
Thanks
Paul

Sorry Paul - I have no idea. I have only used it for about five minutes. Why don't you download it and try for yourself. It is open source.

/ola

January 4th, 2008, 06:32 PM	#1
Ola Christoffersson Major Player Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Posts: 462	Alternative to Clip viewer? After reading the manual to Clip viewer I have not been able to figure out a way to play all the clips on a card or in a folder in sequence. I would like to be able to hit play, lean back and watch the whole "tape" of recordings after a days shoot. Now - has anyone found a good way of doing this without importing into editing software? The only way I have come close is by dragging all of the mp4-files to VLC-player but then I don't get any audio.

January 5th, 2008, 12:14 PM	#3
Andrew Wilson Tourist Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Vermont, USA Posts: 123	So if you play back out of the camera, the component video outs don't carry a signal? I was going to suggest playing back out of the camera to a consumer DVD recorder using component video out. EDIT: I just checked the manual and the component video outs (and composite) work during playback. I believe I also read that if you play the first clip, the second one plays and so on to the end of the tape. I guess you would have to get a headphone to RCA cable to run audio out of the camera. So until Sony makes an SxS player (like Panny's P2 field player) then that's how it's done.

January 5th, 2008, 12:40 PM	#4
Ola Christoffersson Major Player Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Posts: 462	Thank you guys! I am aware of all the possibilities of playback from the camera (yes Andrew, the component output works as well as SDI). What I am talking about is playback of clips already dumped to a harddrive. Apart from the very latest recorded material all of my footage will be on harddrive. Also, hooking up the camera for playback is not a good every day solution. Using the computer for playback is also for me the only way to watch the clips att full quality on my 24" 1920x1200 LCD-screen. Although I can connect it through component as well that does not give me image quality near that of computer playback. Today I realised I can also use Zoom Player to play back mp4-clips if I change the extension to .ts but zoom player does not give me audio either. Does anyone know if the audio actually is embedded in the mp4-file or if it is stored in a separate file?

January 6th, 2008, 12:55 PM	#5
Sebastien Thomas Major Player Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Paris, France Posts: 210	The way I do it is : -copy the files (MP4 + data) to an external hard drive (from a MacBookPro 17") - drop the MP4 file to VLC (or the the VLC playlist to have them all the way to the end) (get VLC here : http://www.videolan.org/ ). You won't get any sound ad VLC does not know how to get it from the MP4 file. - use FFMPEG to get the video (mpeg2) and audio (wave) out of the MP4 file, then see the movie. You will need twice the disk space though... I'm in the process of writing a script (sheel or applescript) to automaticaly dump the files from the SxS to a harddrive, and maybe extract the files to a .mov with both video and sound. Maybe also generate a playlist file and open it in VLC... I'll post when it's done.

January 9th, 2008, 02:41 PM	#10
Vincent Mesman Regular Crew Join Date: May 2007 Location: Amsterdam, The Netherlands, Europe Posts: 31	Buy SpeedEdit v1.5 from Newtek for a few hundred euro's. Drop the clip on the storyboard or timeline and hit spacebar to start playback. It will playback both mxf and mp4 files, including audio. Converting with FFMPEG first (to any high bandwidth non-long-GOP format) will give even better results. VLC player will playback both file formats on the fly. FFMPEG is great for conversion to uncompressed or (lossless) compressed formats. VirtualDub is great for upsampling from 4:2:0 to 4:4:4 colorspace. Great for chroma keying, color timing or mastering. AviSynth is great for converting interlaced PAL or NTSC to progressive double frame-rate (50 fps PAL and 59,94 fps NTSC) to make it more compatible with 1080p50, 720p50, 1080p60, 720p60.

January 9th, 2008, 02:54 PM	#11
Andreas Johansson Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Stockholm Posts: 93	Ola try mplayer. I can't try it now its Tiger only in OSX but there is win32 verisons at: http://www.mplayerhq.hu/

January 9th, 2008, 06:08 PM	#14
Paul Dhadialla Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 143	Ola, does the program allow for say output through a Black Magic intensity card so we can play to a TV Thanks Paul