Various XDCAM EX posts from 2008

Piotr Wozniacki · February 10th, 2008, 04:47 AM

Withe V1E, I avoided hooking it directly to a HDTV (using compenent or HDMI), because in the 25PsF mode I used almost exclusively, it was unwatchable due to the heavy line twittering, caused by the HDTV circuitry unnecessarily deinterlacing the signal. Instead, I captured everything straight to my PC, and either watched using a software MPEG player with deinterlacing off (like VLC, Nero Showtime), or - after having edited in Vegas - burned BD's. Not having a stationary BD player though, even the BD's I made ended up being watched using the PC, anyway...

Now, I just tried to hook my EX1 up to the HDTV using component, and here it was again - the "wow" factor! In fact, playing directly gives not only much more punchy and dynamic picture than using a PC graphics card; it also is much more noise free - no single trace of the mosquito noise! And the most imprtant thing: the same displays that couldn't play the V1E's 25PsF correctly, do not twitter at all when fed the EX1's native 24, 25 or 30p :)

My question to those having tried the video from EX1 played back from a stationary BD or HD DVD player: not using a PC graphics card, does it offer a similar experience as direct watching from camera?

Michael Stewart · February 10th, 2008, 11:40 AM

No better place to ask than actual EX-1 users. All files that were larger than 2gb's would not convert properly, my entire system is NTFS. I even took an mxf file that was 8gb's, plays perfectly, but won't convert. Can someone download a trial version and convert something larger than 2gb's to see if I am the only one with the problem? Appreciate the help. I would have posted this in the Cineform forum, but there are some here who could download the trial and let me know if it works that don't go to the Cineform forum. I have PC and PPro CS3.

Thanks
Mike

Oyvind Stokkan · February 10th, 2008, 05:56 PM

Hey guys!

Have a few questions after my first day out with the ex1 (http://dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=114492)

I tried doing some slow shutter footage of a waterfall (16 in the EX slow shutter menu). Of course the footage turned out all choppy but figured i could fix this in post.. Just could figure out what speed.. Is there an undercrank speed that makes the 16 shutter speed play with one frame for each shutter step? Anybody tried this?

Second Question (may be posted before).
What is the best way to downconvert the footage to SD? Demoing the camera to the other guys at work tomorrow and they are skeptic on replacing our sdx-900 with xdcam 355 or pdw-700 when it comes because of poor downconverting quality..

Hope someone has some answers!

Leonard Levy · February 10th, 2008, 07:39 PM

please delete this post

Simon Cox · February 12th, 2008, 03:22 AM

In the thread about the Sony wide angle adaptor, Paul Joy posted a link to a Sky news video about the recent Broadcast show in London (you can see Philip Bloom in the background demo-ing the EX1) -http://www.schneideroptics.com/century/dv/ex/ex.htm

If you stop the clip at the 01:12 mark, you see a picture of what looks like a new EX deck of some sort. I post the screen grab here. Anyone have any news about this device? Is it simply a playback machine? There is clearly a record button - could it be an archive machine with a built in hard drive - not unlike the P2 store that Panny make? What do you think....?

Forgive me if someone has already posted about this and I missed it.

Edit: My bad - someone has already discussed this a while back. Apologies.http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=106583

Holger Neuhaeuser · February 12th, 2008, 05:06 PM

Hi
has anybody tried to use an external usb copier (Belkin for instance) for transferring data from the cards in the camera via usb to a diskdrive.
So that you don´t have to carry a laptop with you?

Thanks for any hints
Holger

Tim Lenz · February 16th, 2008, 10:41 AM

I am interested in testing my workflow with my AVID Express Pro HD and a raw file from an EX1. Is anyone willing to send me a 10 sec file from their SxS card?
If so, studio@lenzstudio.com is my email address

Paul Kellett · February 17th, 2008, 02:12 PM

When i put SQ 1080/50i mxf files in the vegas timeline,there's no audio peaks,is this normal ? The audio and video plays fine.
1080/50i HQ does show audio peaks.

Craig Seeman · February 18th, 2008, 09:07 AM

http://www.kenstone.net/fcp_homepage...put_young.html

This is a great article on how to get an excellent and proper HD to SD in Final Cut Pro. Good clear step by step with pictures.

I hope I'm not breaking a DVInfo policy by posting a link to another site but when someone writes an excellent workflow article I'd rather point to the original author than paraphrase.

Vaughan Wood · February 18th, 2008, 07:31 PM

Edius 4.6 upgrade is now online, and Broadcast version handles EX-1 files natively.

You can open the tools options in the bin window, select and open the Sony browser software, (acts as a plugin), select all the clips you want and just drag them into the Edius bin. Close the browser software! Add to timeline! Done! Start editing!

Terrific.

Cheers Vaughan

Craig Hollenback · February 20th, 2008, 12:47 PM

I just purchased and installed B+W SLIM 77mm (MC) Kaessemann Circular Polarizer Filter on my EX1. It fits fine under the supplied lens hood. I can see however, that a standard thickness filter would be too thick.
Just thought I'd post my findings as it is a tight fit.
Best, Craig Hollenback
www.keystv.com

Mark Fassett · February 22nd, 2008, 11:13 AM

Discovered a strange and disheartening problem with the downconversion in the pdw-f70. It appears to only support "squeeze" mode while recording to disc. It downconverts fine while in record/pause mode, but when recording to disc it will only squeeze. This is very strange... am I smoking crack or something? Anyone know if there's a firmware update to address this?

Vince Gaffney · February 24th, 2008, 03:42 PM

I had some time to get the job I just shot loaded, so after i transferred the data files, I decided to capture all three cards over SDI into FC via Kona Lhe.

I'm taking the 1080i HQ files and capturing them as uncompressed 10bit SD. they look really great, but all of the audio is 7 frames out of sync. It's perfect on the cards and plays back in sync from those files.

Has anyone else tried this? What was the result?

Thanks,

Vince

Bruce Rawlings · February 26th, 2008, 04:18 PM

Hi there, I have been reading these posts since early December and now finally my camera has arrived this afternoon. First tests show no sign of vignetting or stuttering zoom control and back focus looks to be fine. Too soon to tackle the browser to download files, will wait until I feel strong. HD-SDI into a Sony HDW-D1800 recorder looks good. Monitoring on Panasonic 17" LCD in HD-SDI. Will ingest HDCAM transfers into Avid Adrenaline for editing in the short term. Doug Jensen's Vortex Media DVD has been great to get moving quickly. The EX1 already feels like an old friend - the vibes are good.

Sami Sanpakkila · February 27th, 2008, 05:48 AM

Hi,

I have the possibility of getting Sony PVM-2130 for quite cheap. Problem is I dont anything about this monitor (its definately SD though). But would it be relatively good for monitoring my EX1 material via Vegas 8? I have a miniDV so i could use that to feed the monitor. Does anyone have any knowledge about this monitor?

-EDIT-
Sorry, realised this is slightly off topic, please move if need be.
-EDIT-

Sami

February 10th, 2008, 04:47 AM	#16
Piotr Wozniacki Inner Circle Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Poland Posts: 4,086	EX1 native 25p is twitter-free! Withe V1E, I avoided hooking it directly to a HDTV (using compenent or HDMI), because in the 25PsF mode I used almost exclusively, it was unwatchable due to the heavy line twittering, caused by the HDTV circuitry unnecessarily deinterlacing the signal. Instead, I captured everything straight to my PC, and either watched using a software MPEG player with deinterlacing off (like VLC, Nero Showtime), or - after having edited in Vegas - burned BD's. Not having a stationary BD player though, even the BD's I made ended up being watched using the PC, anyway... Now, I just tried to hook my EX1 up to the HDTV using component, and here it was again - the "wow" factor! In fact, playing directly gives not only much more punchy and dynamic picture than using a PC graphics card; it also is much more noise free - no single trace of the mosquito noise! And the most imprtant thing: the same displays that couldn't play the V1E's 25PsF correctly, do not twitter at all when fed the EX1's native 24, 25 or 30p :) My question to those having tried the video from EX1 played back from a stationary BD or HD DVD player: not using a PC graphics card, does it offer a similar experience as direct watching from camera? __________________ Sony PXW-FS7 \| DaVinci Resolve Studio; Magix Vegas Pro; i7-5960X CPU; 64 GB RAM; 2x GTX 1080 8GB GPU; Decklink 4K Extreme 12G; 4x 3TB WD Black in RAID 0; 1TB M.2 NVMe cache drive Last edited by Piotr Wozniacki; February 10th, 2008 at 06:49 AM.

February 10th, 2008, 11:40 AM	#17
Michael Stewart Major Player Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Spokane, Wa. Posts: 445	Need Help! Try the Prospect HD trial download on a file larger than 2gb's for me? No better place to ask than actual EX-1 users. All files that were larger than 2gb's would not convert properly, my entire system is NTFS. I even took an mxf file that was 8gb's, plays perfectly, but won't convert. Can someone download a trial version and convert something larger than 2gb's to see if I am the only one with the problem? Appreciate the help. I would have posted this in the Cineform forum, but there are some here who could download the trial and let me know if it works that don't go to the Cineform forum. I have PC and PPro CS3. Thanks Mike

February 10th, 2008, 05:56 PM	#18
Oyvind Stokkan Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Grimstad, Norway Posts: 112	Slow shutter framerate? Best way to downconvert? Hey guys! Have a few questions after my first day out with the ex1 (http://dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=114492) I tried doing some slow shutter footage of a waterfall (16 in the EX slow shutter menu). Of course the footage turned out all choppy but figured i could fix this in post.. Just could figure out what speed.. Is there an undercrank speed that makes the 16 shutter speed play with one frame for each shutter step? Anybody tried this? Second Question (may be posted before). What is the best way to downconvert the footage to SD? Demoing the camera to the other guys at work tomorrow and they are skeptic on replacing our sdx-900 with xdcam 355 or pdw-700 when it comes because of poor downconverting quality.. Hope someone has some answers! __________________ PMW-EX1 and Letus Extreme user www.oyvindstokkan.no

February 10th, 2008, 07:39 PM	#19
Leonard Levy Trustee Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: USA Posts: 1,684	Can't import into FCP please delete this post Last edited by Leonard Levy; February 10th, 2008 at 07:58 PM. Reason: double post

February 12th, 2008, 03:22 AM	#20
Simon Cox New Boot Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: London & Los Angeles Posts: 11	EX Deck? In the thread about the Sony wide angle adaptor, Paul Joy posted a link to a Sky news video about the recent Broadcast show in London (you can see Philip Bloom in the background demo-ing the EX1) -http://www.schneideroptics.com/century/dv/ex/ex.htm If you stop the clip at the 01:12 mark, you see a picture of what looks like a new EX deck of some sort. I post the screen grab here. Anyone have any news about this device? Is it simply a playback machine? There is clearly a record button - could it be an archive machine with a built in hard drive - not unlike the P2 store that Panny make? What do you think....? Forgive me if someone has already posted about this and I missed it. Edit: My bad - someone has already discussed this a while back. Apologies.http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=106583 Attached Thumbnails

February 12th, 2008, 05:06 PM	#21
Holger Neuhaeuser Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Munich Germany Posts: 37	Archiving ex1 videofiles with an external usb copier? Hi has anybody tried to use an external usb copier (Belkin for instance) for transferring data from the cards in the camera via usb to a diskdrive. So that you don´t have to carry a laptop with you? Thanks for any hints Holger

February 16th, 2008, 10:41 AM	#22
Tim Lenz New Boot Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Appleton WI Posts: 21	Can anyone share a 10 sec mp4 from EX1 I am interested in testing my workflow with my AVID Express Pro HD and a raw file from an EX1. Is anyone willing to send me a 10 sec file from their SxS card? If so, studio@lenzstudio.com is my email address

February 17th, 2008, 02:12 PM	#23
Paul Kellett Trustee Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Bristol UK Posts: 1,273	SQ mxf files.no audio peaks in vegas pro 8. When i put SQ 1080/50i mxf files in the vegas timeline,there's no audio peaks,is this normal ? The audio and video plays fine. 1080/50i HQ does show audio peaks. __________________ Round 2 GH5,FZ2000

February 18th, 2008, 09:07 AM	#24
Craig Seeman Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Brooklyn, NY, USA Posts: 3,841	EX1 HD to SD in Final Cut Pro http://www.kenstone.net/fcp_homepage...put_young.html This is a great article on how to get an excellent and proper HD to SD in Final Cut Pro. Good clear step by step with pictures. I hope I'm not breaking a DVInfo policy by posting a link to another site but when someone writes an excellent workflow article I'd rather point to the original author than paraphrase.

February 18th, 2008, 07:31 PM	#25
Vaughan Wood Major Player Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Melbourne Australia Posts: 278	EDIUS 4.6 Now Available Edius 4.6 upgrade is now online, and Broadcast version handles EX-1 files natively. You can open the tools options in the bin window, select and open the Sony browser software, (acts as a plugin), select all the clips you want and just drag them into the Edius bin. Close the browser software! Add to timeline! Done! Start editing! Terrific. Cheers Vaughan

February 20th, 2008, 12:47 PM	#26
Craig Hollenback Major Player Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Key West Posts: 247	Circ Polarizer I just purchased and installed B+W SLIM 77mm (MC) Kaessemann Circular Polarizer Filter on my EX1. It fits fine under the supplied lens hood. I can see however, that a standard thickness filter would be too thick. Just thought I'd post my findings as it is a tight fit. Best, Craig Hollenback www.keystv.com

February 22nd, 2008, 11:13 AM	#27
Mark Fassett Tourist Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Redwood City, CA Posts: 4	pdw-f70 down conversion Discovered a strange and disheartening problem with the downconversion in the pdw-f70. It appears to only support "squeeze" mode while recording to disc. It downconverts fine while in record/pause mode, but when recording to disc it will only squeeze. This is very strange... am I smoking crack or something? Anyone know if there's a firmware update to address this?

February 24th, 2008, 03:42 PM	#28
Vince Gaffney Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 146	SDI capture from card sync issue I had some time to get the job I just shot loaded, so after i transferred the data files, I decided to capture all three cards over SDI into FC via Kona Lhe. I'm taking the 1080i HQ files and capturing them as uncompressed 10bit SD. they look really great, but all of the audio is 7 frames out of sync. It's perfect on the cards and plays back in sync from those files. Has anyone else tried this? What was the result? Thanks, Vince

February 26th, 2008, 04:18 PM	#29
Bruce Rawlings Major Player Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Cardiff, Wales, UK Posts: 410	A perfect PAL EX1 - worth the wait Hi there, I have been reading these posts since early December and now finally my camera has arrived this afternoon. First tests show no sign of vignetting or stuttering zoom control and back focus looks to be fine. Too soon to tackle the browser to download files, will wait until I feel strong. HD-SDI into a Sony HDW-D1800 recorder looks good. Monitoring on Panasonic 17" LCD in HD-SDI. Will ingest HDCAM transfers into Avid Adrenaline for editing in the short term. Doug Jensen's Vortex Media DVD has been great to get moving quickly. The EX1 already feels like an old friend - the vibes are good.

February 27th, 2008, 05:48 AM	#30
Sami Sanpakkila Major Player Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Finland Posts: 317	Sony PVM-2130 good with EX1/Vegas8? Hi, I have the possibility of getting Sony PVM-2130 for quite cheap. Problem is I dont anything about this monitor (its definately SD though). But would it be relatively good for monitoring my EX1 material via Vegas 8? I have a miniDV so i could use that to feed the monitor. Does anyone have any knowledge about this monitor? -EDIT- Sorry, realised this is slightly off topic, please move if need be. -EDIT- Sami