Mic mount, perhaps some caution needed. at DVinfo.net

Bob Grant · January 1st, 2008, 08:17 PM

I've started making my own piece of metalwork to hold the Rode shockmount directly, I'll post a picture or two when I'm done. When I took the original Sony mic holder off the EX1 to measure the hole spacing I noticed this unit is only just held onto the camera by very thin plastic sections where the screws go though it into the audio pod. This is likely a deliberate and sensible piece of design on Sony's part. If the mic does get a hard knock the holder breaks away from the camera rather than cause more expensive to repair damage to the rest of the camera.

On the other hand mounting the full Rode shockmount into the existing mic holder plus a heavy, long shotgun and dead cat could be placing too much load on the mount and cause it to break away when it needn't.

Regardless of which view you take of the design I'd suggest anyone planning on mounting anything more than one of the Sony plastic shotguns to have a good look at just how strong the mounting clamp is, especially how it attaches to the camera.

Christopher Barry · January 2nd, 2008, 07:23 AM

Bob, once the EX1 arrives, I will experiment with attaching a Manfrotto Super Clamp 635 to the handle of the cam. Intended use is to mount the onboard monitor. The Super Clamp has a 1/4" thread for an Ultralight Control Systems spud and arm(s), etc, which lead to the monitor. My previous cam had a 1/4" thread in the handle which was handy, although a clamp allows me to position the monitor more forward, as it would be a more useful position and facing the AC pulling focus, and the DP/Cam op using the EX1's onboard LCD for framing.

I don't know if the Super Clamp is a good idea for mounting a mic or other devices, as I have not yet handled an actual EX1. Whilst I have and can mount extra gear via rails, my proposed rig is going to be very busy down there (adapter and additional glass, FF, MB, Wireless Rec(s) and shoulder mount/handles (sometimes)).

I am interested to see your mic mount. This is the Super Clamp, and any opinions welcome. Thanks.
http://www.manfrotto.com/webdav/site...zoom/6/635.jpg

Sebastien Thomas · January 2nd, 2008, 11:09 AM

sorry to miss the thread subject, but is the thing you put on a microphone called a "dead cat" for real ?
I never heard of this before. sounds really funny :)
Any other funny name out there ? any real proffessional name ?

Graeme Fullick · January 2nd, 2008, 01:52 PM

Sebastien,

The "dead cat" is the furry cover for the microphone. It is Australian humor - as Rode are an Australian company. They rightfully claim that their wind muff looks like a dead cats fur. Luckily, it doesn't smell like one!

Bob Grant · January 2nd, 2008, 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Christopher Barry

Bob, once the EX1 arrives, I will experiment with attaching a Manfrotto Super Clamp 635 to the handle of the cam. Intended use is to mount the onboard monitor. The Super Clamp has a 1/4" thread for an Ultralight Control Systems spud and arm(s), etc, which lead to the monitor. My previous cam had a 1/4" thread in the handle which was handy, although a clamp allows me to position the monitor more forward, as it would be a more useful position and facing the AC pulling focus, and the DP/Cam op using the EX1's onboard LCD for framing.

I don't know if the Super Clamp is a good idea for mounting a mic or other devices, as I have not yet handled an actual EX1. Whilst I have and can mount extra gear via rails, my proposed rig is going to be very busy down there (adapter and additional glass, FF, MB, Wireless Rec(s) and shoulder mount/handles (sometimes)).

I am interested to see your mic mount. This is the Super Clamp, and any opinions welcome. Thanks.
http://www.manfrotto.com/webdav/site...zoom/6/635.jpg

We have many Superclamps and use them a lot for mounting lights and general grips duty. I don't think it's the ideal gizmo for attaching things to a camera handle though. There's a number of clamps made specifically for that job around, if nothing else they're a lot lighter than the Superclamp.

Bob Grant · January 3rd, 2008, 01:05 AM

I fashioned the mount to attach a Rode shock mount directly to the EX1 audio pod from a length of 40mm x 3mm Aluminium bar. 2mm material would be equally suitable. The two spacers are from the original Rode mount.

Phil Bloom · January 3rd, 2008, 01:37 AM

mine snapped off about three weeks ago and am awaiting a replacement. you are right. it is very flimsy for a reason, doesn't stop it from being very annoying as it is easy to break.

Peter Wright · January 3rd, 2008, 02:17 AM

Hi Bob - very impressive piece of Aussie invention!

I haven't broken my mount yet, but I was quite disappointed that my SONY half shotgun ECM-678 mic flops around in the holder as if Sony had never heard of Sony, whereas the Z1 had a rubber sleeve insert which gripped the ECM-678 perfectly.
Naturally, I've "borrowed" the Z1 rubber insert for the EX1 for the time being, but with a camera of this class it's disappointing to have to improvise.

Christopher Barry · January 3rd, 2008, 02:36 AM

Bob, mic mount looks solid. Any ideas for mounting/stacking a second G2 on the hot shoe or do you have alternative advice?

Indeed, the Super Clamp is far from ideal. I would prefer a smaller clamp that spreads more along the length of the handle to distribute the monitor weight. I will have to look for a better solution.

Bob Grant · January 3rd, 2008, 05:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Christopher Barry

Bob, mic mount looks solid. Any ideas for mounting/stacking a second G2 on the hot shoe or do you have alternative advice?

Indeed, the Super Clamp is far from ideal. I would prefer a smaller clamp that spreads more along the length of the handle to distribute the monitor weight. I will have to look for a better solution.

Two fit two G2s onto one hotshoe we use this hot shoe extension from Rycote:
http://www.rycote.com/products/acces.../hot_shoe_ext/

I'll try to find out where we got the clamp on threaded adaptors for our cameras. There's a fairly expensive one that's a very well made and a very neat unit and another cheaper solution but I just don't remember who makes either of them.

Christopher Barry · January 3rd, 2008, 08:32 AM

Bob, the hot shoe extension looks good. The other clamp that comes to mind is a Mini Cardellini clamp, with 3/8 thread. I can convert the 3/8 to 1/4 taking from my Noga kit, then rig up my Ultralight arm configuration. I'll talk to you next week about various items. Thanks for all your help.

Alessandro Zumstein · January 3rd, 2008, 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Grant

I fashioned the mount to attach a Rode shock mount directly to the EX1 audio pod from a length of 40mm x 3mm Aluminium bar. 2mm material would be equally suitable. The two spacers are from the original Rode mount.

Hello, you are crazy, but this is a good idea for use high end microphones without a "Ton Meister".
I hope, in future you don't have problems with waranty etc.

Tim J. Matteson · February 19th, 2008, 08:55 AM

I have a JVC HD200 which I carry in a PortaBrace CTC3 bag. I'm looking to get rid of the stock mic and get a Rode Stereo VideoMic. It looks like I'll have to figure out a way to make that mount ride lower on the camera in order to allow the whole rig to fit into the bag without detaching the mic every time. Anyone have any recommendations?

Jeff Rhode · February 21st, 2008, 05:39 AM

Hi Bob,

Nice solution !
I wish I would have seen your thread and posted earlier--check out The J-Rod also which will allow a shock mount and a radio receiver to both be mounted on the EX !

I don't think you would have any issues with covered repairs with your mount on. May be just as easy to switch it back though prior to bringing it to Sony if necessary.

Regards.

Bob Grant · February 21st, 2008, 06:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Rhode

Hi Bob,

Nice solution !
I wish I would have seen your thread and posted earlier--check out The J-Rod also which will allow a shock mount and a radio receiver to both be mounted on the EX !

I don't think you would have any issues with covered repairs with your mount on. May be just as easy to switch it back though prior to bringing it to Sony if necessary.

Regards.

I'll bet good money the J-Rod will break the EX1's mic holder, the mic holder can barely hold the weight of a Rode shotgun without breaking. We've had two mic holders on Z1s break and the Z1 has a more robust holder than the EX1. Don't get me wrong, I'm not having a go at the J-Rod. It's not the designers fault that the mic holder is so flimsy.

For wireless receivers we'll be hanging them off the back of Zacuto rigs or else off the existing cold shoe.

Anyway thanks for reminding me about my mic holder, I've got a few more EX1s that need me to make my custom job for them, just not enough hours in the day.

January 1st, 2008, 08:17 PM	#1
Bob Grant Trustee Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Sydney Australia Posts: 1,570	Mic mount, perhaps some caution needed. I've started making my own piece of metalwork to hold the Rode shockmount directly, I'll post a picture or two when I'm done. When I took the original Sony mic holder off the EX1 to measure the hole spacing I noticed this unit is only just held onto the camera by very thin plastic sections where the screws go though it into the audio pod. This is likely a deliberate and sensible piece of design on Sony's part. If the mic does get a hard knock the holder breaks away from the camera rather than cause more expensive to repair damage to the rest of the camera. On the other hand mounting the full Rode shockmount into the existing mic holder plus a heavy, long shotgun and dead cat could be placing too much load on the mount and cause it to break away when it needn't. Regardless of which view you take of the design I'd suggest anyone planning on mounting anything more than one of the Sony plastic shotguns to have a good look at just how strong the mounting clamp is, especially how it attaches to the camera.

January 2nd, 2008, 01:52 PM	#4
Graeme Fullick Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Newcastle, Australia Posts: 337	Sebastien, The "dead cat" is the furry cover for the microphone. It is Australian humor - as Rode are an Australian company. They rightfully claim that their wind muff looks like a dead cats fur. Luckily, it doesn't smell like one! __________________ Graeme

January 3rd, 2008, 01:05 AM	#6
Bob Grant Trustee Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Sydney Australia Posts: 1,570	My EX1 Mic Mount I fashioned the mount to attach a Rode shock mount directly to the EX1 audio pod from a length of 40mm x 3mm Aluminium bar. 2mm material would be equally suitable. The two spacers are from the original Rode mount. Attached Thumbnails

January 3rd, 2008, 01:37 AM	#7
Phil Bloom Trustee Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: London UK Posts: 1,939	mine snapped off about three weeks ago and am awaiting a replacement. you are right. it is very flimsy for a reason, doesn't stop it from being very annoying as it is easy to break. __________________ Philip Bloom Cinematographer, Director, Filmmaker www.philipbloom.net

February 19th, 2008, 08:55 AM	#13
Tim J. Matteson New Boot Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Mishawaka, IN Posts: 12	mic mount adapter for JVC GY-HD200 I have a JVC HD200 which I carry in a PortaBrace CTC3 bag. I'm looking to get rid of the stock mic and get a Rode Stereo VideoMic. It looks like I'll have to figure out a way to make that mount ride lower on the camera in order to allow the whole rig to fit into the bag without detaching the mic every time. Anyone have any recommendations?

January 2nd, 2008, 07:23 AM	#2
Christopher Barry Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 107	Bob, once the EX1 arrives, I will experiment with attaching a Manfrotto Super Clamp 635 to the handle of the cam. Intended use is to mount the onboard monitor. The Super Clamp has a 1/4" thread for an Ultralight Control Systems spud and arm(s), etc, which lead to the monitor. My previous cam had a 1/4" thread in the handle which was handy, although a clamp allows me to position the monitor more forward, as it would be a more useful position and facing the AC pulling focus, and the DP/Cam op using the EX1's onboard LCD for framing. I don't know if the Super Clamp is a good idea for mounting a mic or other devices, as I have not yet handled an actual EX1. Whilst I have and can mount extra gear via rails, my proposed rig is going to be very busy down there (adapter and additional glass, FF, MB, Wireless Rec(s) and shoulder mount/handles (sometimes)). I am interested to see your mic mount. This is the Super Clamp, and any opinions welcome. Thanks. http://www.manfrotto.com/webdav/site...zoom/6/635.jpg

January 2nd, 2008, 11:09 AM	#3
Sebastien Thomas Major Player Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Paris, France Posts: 210	sorry to miss the thread subject, but is the thing you put on a microphone called a "dead cat" for real ? I never heard of this before. sounds really funny :) Any other funny name out there ? any real proffessional name ?

January 3rd, 2008, 02:17 AM	#8
Peter Wright Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 193	Hi Bob - very impressive piece of Aussie invention! I haven't broken my mount yet, but I was quite disappointed that my SONY half shotgun ECM-678 mic flops around in the holder as if Sony had never heard of Sony, whereas the Z1 had a rubber sleeve insert which gripped the ECM-678 perfectly. Naturally, I've "borrowed" the Z1 rubber insert for the EX1 for the time being, but with a camera of this class it's disappointing to have to improvise.

January 3rd, 2008, 02:36 AM	#9
Christopher Barry Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 107	Bob, mic mount looks solid. Any ideas for mounting/stacking a second G2 on the hot shoe or do you have alternative advice? Indeed, the Super Clamp is far from ideal. I would prefer a smaller clamp that spreads more along the length of the handle to distribute the monitor weight. I will have to look for a better solution.

January 3rd, 2008, 08:32 AM	#11
Christopher Barry Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 107	Bob, the hot shoe extension looks good. The other clamp that comes to mind is a Mini Cardellini clamp, with 3/8 thread. I can convert the 3/8 to 1/4 taking from my Noga kit, then rig up my Ultralight arm configuration. I'll talk to you next week about various items. Thanks for all your help.

February 21st, 2008, 05:39 AM	#14
Jeff Rhode Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: NJ, USA Posts: 169	Hi Bob, Nice solution ! I wish I would have seen your thread and posted earlier--check out The J-Rod also which will allow a shock mount and a radio receiver to both be mounted on the EX ! I don't think you would have any issues with covered repairs with your mount on. May be just as easy to switch it back though prior to bringing it to Sony if necessary. Regards.