EX1 1920*1080 30P HQ Demo

David Parks · December 23rd, 2007, 09:21 AM

I just loaded the Viva Vegas MXF into Avid Liquid and the rez and detail are pretty amazing. Compared to footage from my JVC HD100a, ...,it is much much sharper. Although the JVC looks maybe a little smoother and still more filmic to my eyes, (720p/30). But that's just my subjective opinion based on an apples to oranges comparison. In fact, I'm pretty sure the JVC would have not been able to shoot those fountains, lights and still expose the Bellagio without being bumped up to at least 9db, or even higher. Those 1/2 sensors make a huge difference in latitude. I would love to know what Gamma settings/profile you used.

Otherwise, the contrast range, color, resolution, ..I mean it just pops.

Thanks for the clip David. Your work has convinced me to go for buying the EX1. I was waiting to see what the Z7 looked like, but I would be surprised if the 1/3 sensors on that camera could compare to the 1/2 inch CMOS on the EX.

Cheers, Have a Safe and Merry Christmas.

Steven Thomas · December 23rd, 2007, 10:26 AM

That bellagio MXF file is breathtaking man!

Please share any picture profile settings used during this capture?

Also, do you remember where your f-stop was at that given time?

David Schmerin · December 23rd, 2007, 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steven Thomas

That bellagio MXF file is breathtaking man!

Please share any picture profile settings used during this capture?

Also, do you remember where your f-stop was at that given time?

I am afraid everyone is going to be a bit disappointed with the answer but here goes..... I don't know for sure but I will share what I can...

The camera was in full manual mode. Camera settings were still with all settings to default. No Picture Profile was selected and Gain was set to 0. White Balance I think was at 3200k. ND Filters were off. F-stop was 2.8 and the zoom was set at 5.8. This really was a shot in the dark as it was very cold and too dark to see the camera settings. Also because we set up in the dark and not during a previous show, we really had no clue how the bright light flashes from the fountains would react.

Thank you for the good words on the video everyone. Positive feedback is always appreciated. And, I promise to keep a log of my settings for future demos... So long as it is not cold and dark!

David Schmerin
www.GotFootageHD.com

Andrew Wilson · December 23rd, 2007, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by David Schmerin

Sorry not with an XL2

David Schmerin
www.GotFootageHD.com

How about another camera in that performance range? What did you use for SD footage?

David Schmerin · December 23rd, 2007, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew Wilson

How about another camera in that performance range? What did you use for SD footage?

We started out as a Beta house. Moved to the Z1, then V1, and now EX-1. Here and there we tried a few others that came our way but seems we are mostly a Sony house with Final Cut

David Schmerin
www.GotFootageHD.com

David Parks · December 24th, 2007, 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Schmerin

No Picture Profile was selected and Gain was set to 0. White Balance I think was at 3200k. ND Filters were off. F-stop was 2.8 and the zoom was set at 5.8.
David Schmerin
www.GotFootageHD.com

HOLY MOLY!!!! NO GAIN!!! This is such a huge leap in latitude for a sub 10k camera, or maybe any camera.

Steven Thomas · December 24th, 2007, 09:34 PM

Thanks David, thanks for sharing the camera details.
I noticed the FTP site in now not working?

David Schmerin · December 25th, 2007, 12:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steven Thomas

Thanks David, thanks for sharing the camera details.
I noticed the FTP site in now not working?

Appears to still be up at the new address of:

ftp://vegas:demo@download.gotfootage.com

David Schmerin
www.GotFootageHD.com

Ryan Harrell · December 25th, 2007, 01:58 PM

its still not working, atleast from a safari user....

Steven Thomas · December 25th, 2007, 02:07 PM

No problems downloading

David Schmerin · December 27th, 2007, 05:39 PM

I have put up two more demo files in the .mxf format. As promised, this time I kept notes. The footage is of a giant American flag waving in a strong wind. For those of you familiar with Las Vegas, this is one of those giant flags over a Terrible Herbst gas station. I think the are like 20*15.

This footage is a tight and tighter of the waving flag. I was very curious to see the effect of the waving so all comments are welcome.

According to my log, the camera settings were as follow:

720HQ
24P
ND2
Circular Polarizer
Gain: 0
WB: 8600k
f-Stop: 5.6

Beyond this, no Picture Profiles, detail settings, or any other camera settings were changed.

ftp://vegas:demo@download.gotfootage.com

Hope you find this interesting and I look forward to your comments.

David Schmerin
www.GotFootage.com

Christopher Barry · December 27th, 2007, 11:44 PM

David, Thanks for posting 720 HQ files. I viewed the two files via VLC player on PC and upon pausing at various locations, I see no compression artifacts. I thought perhaps the flag's material seams and shadow area would be a good candidate for compression artifacts, however, nothing of concern spotted via a quick review.

Perhaps similar footage at a faster shutter, say 1/120 or 1/250 would be an interesting comparison, so as to not have any possible smudging of the image that may be masking potential for compression artifacts to appear. That said, I don't expect to see any artifacts at faster shutters speeds, based on various footage that has been posted. The EX1, looking good.

David, did you shoot 1/48 shutter?

Philip van mierlo · December 28th, 2007, 08:42 AM

I have a question about taking notes.
Is it not possible to import this information as metadata in to your editor (fcp/avid/vegas) ?

David Schmerin · December 29th, 2007, 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Philip van mierlo

I have a question about taking notes.
Is it not possible to import this information as metadata in to your editor (fcp/avid/vegas) ?

You would think there would be but I do not know how yet. I am still trying to figure out how to edit in FCS2 and deliver for finishing to someone running and AVID.

David Schmerin
www.gotfootagehd.com

Philip van mierlo · December 30th, 2007, 05:03 AM

David,

How about this freeware ?

http://www.dharmafilm.com/sebskytools/

and a review (audio-converting) :

http://www.dv.com/features/features_...leId=168600982

Regards,

Phil

December 23rd, 2007, 09:21 AM	#16
David Parks Major Player Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Houston Posts: 789	I just loaded the Viva Vegas MXF into Avid Liquid and the rez and detail are pretty amazing. Compared to footage from my JVC HD100a, ...,it is much much sharper. Although the JVC looks maybe a little smoother and still more filmic to my eyes, (720p/30). But that's just my subjective opinion based on an apples to oranges comparison. In fact, I'm pretty sure the JVC would have not been able to shoot those fountains, lights and still expose the Bellagio without being bumped up to at least 9db, or even higher. Those 1/2 sensors make a huge difference in latitude. I would love to know what Gamma settings/profile you used. Otherwise, the contrast range, color, resolution, ..I mean it just pops. Thanks for the clip David. Your work has convinced me to go for buying the EX1. I was waiting to see what the Z7 looked like, but I would be surprised if the 1/3 sensors on that camera could compare to the 1/2 inch CMOS on the EX. Cheers, Have a Safe and Merry Christmas. __________________ David Parks: DP/Editor: Jacobs Aerospace at NASA Johnson Space Center https://www.youtube.com/user/JacobsESCG

December 25th, 2007, 01:58 PM	#24
Ryan Harrell New Boot Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Fort Lauderdale, FL Posts: 5	sorry man its still not working, atleast from a safari user....

December 27th, 2007, 05:39 PM	#26
David Schmerin Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 96	More Demo Files I have put up two more demo files in the .mxf format. As promised, this time I kept notes. The footage is of a giant American flag waving in a strong wind. For those of you familiar with Las Vegas, this is one of those giant flags over a Terrible Herbst gas station. I think the are like 20*15. This footage is a tight and tighter of the waving flag. I was very curious to see the effect of the waving so all comments are welcome. According to my log, the camera settings were as follow: 720HQ 24P ND2 Circular Polarizer Gain: 0 WB: 8600k f-Stop: 5.6 Beyond this, no Picture Profiles, detail settings, or any other camera settings were changed. ftp://vegas:demo@download.gotfootage.com Hope you find this interesting and I look forward to your comments. David Schmerin www.GotFootage.com

December 28th, 2007, 08:42 AM	#28
Philip van mierlo Tourist Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Belgium Posts: 2	notes <-> metadata I have a question about taking notes. Is it not possible to import this information as metadata in to your editor (fcp/avid/vegas) ?

December 30th, 2007, 05:03 AM	#30
Philip van mierlo Tourist Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Belgium Posts: 2	David, How about this freeware ? http://www.dharmafilm.com/sebskytools/ and a review (audio-converting) : http://www.dv.com/features/features_...leId=168600982 Regards, Phil Last edited by Philip van mierlo; December 30th, 2007 at 07:53 AM.

December 23rd, 2007, 10:26 AM	#17
Steven Thomas Trustee Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 1,896	That bellagio MXF file is breathtaking man! Please share any picture profile settings used during this capture? Also, do you remember where your f-stop was at that given time?

December 24th, 2007, 09:34 PM	#22
Steven Thomas Trustee Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 1,896	Thanks David, thanks for sharing the camera details. I noticed the FTP site in now not working?

December 25th, 2007, 02:07 PM	#25
Steven Thomas Trustee Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 1,896	No problems downloading

December 27th, 2007, 11:44 PM	#27
Christopher Barry Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 107	David, Thanks for posting 720 HQ files. I viewed the two files via VLC player on PC and upon pausing at various locations, I see no compression artifacts. I thought perhaps the flag's material seams and shadow area would be a good candidate for compression artifacts, however, nothing of concern spotted via a quick review. Perhaps similar footage at a faster shutter, say 1/120 or 1/250 would be an interesting comparison, so as to not have any possible smudging of the image that may be masking potential for compression artifacts to appear. That said, I don't expect to see any artifacts at faster shutters speeds, based on various footage that has been posted. The EX1, looking good. David, did you shoot 1/48 shutter?