Match night scenes in Collateral and Miami Vice? at DVinfo.net

Paul Chiu · December 15th, 2007, 05:35 PM

In Collateral and Miami Vice, they use some hd cam of sorts in all the night scenes. i am not sure what michael mann used in vice but some said it's the sony f900 on Collateral.

can the new pmw-ex1 with the smaller 1/2" sensors match the bigger f900 in terms of these night and low light level scenes.

yes, i am aware that even with these scenes, there are a ton of external lighting used, so our mileage will vary with the ex1, but can we get most of that "look"?

paul

Eric Pascarelli · December 15th, 2007, 06:58 PM

The Viper was used on Collateral. It's also a 2/3", but overall a bit more camera than the F900.

I think with the proper lighting (e.g. Paul Cameron shooting) you can get a similar look with the EX1, but you will never match the smoothness and depth in the dark areas.

Vidar Vedaa · December 16th, 2007, 03:51 AM

Hallo Paul

I read this artical about HD ,may bee this give a anser

Weblink http://www.studiodaily.com/hdstudio/...oice/8102.html

Regards
V Vedaa

Wildlfe-video:http://web.mac.com/vidarjohannesveda...Info-home.html

Paul Chiu · December 16th, 2007, 09:40 AM

thanks v,

i guess based on that article, does xdcam ex hold up to the disk based xdcam hd?

just on one point, the new xdcam ex can do 4:2:2 while the author said xdcam hd did only 4:2:0

paul

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vidar Vedaa

Hallo Paul

I read this artical about HD ,may bee this give a anser

Weblink http://www.studiodaily.com/hdstudio/...oice/8102.html

Regards
V Vedaa

Wildlfe-video:http://web.mac.com/vidarjohannesveda...Info-home.html

Tim Polster · December 16th, 2007, 03:19 PM

From what I viewed in the Miami Vice movie, you would not want the EX to resemble that look.

The night scenes IMHO had a ton a of noise for no reason as the characters were not in total darkness like a 'night vision' type of look.

I wondered why all of the noise was part of the scenes.

Greg Voevodsky · December 21st, 2007, 08:32 PM

Why would you want to look like the horrific movie Miami Vice? It was noisy, out of focus, soft - I had to walk out of the theater - worse shooting since Chiat's Day shakey camera introduced the barf camera in commercials many years ago - it was fore runner of Blair Witch. Avoid this for the rest of us that make a living creating beautiful stable images. Thanks.

Evan Donn · December 22nd, 2007, 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greg Voevodsky

Why would you want to look like the horrific movie Miami Vice? It was noisy, out of focus, soft - I had to walk out of the theater... Avoid this for the rest of us that make a living creating beautiful stable images. Thanks.

You call it horrific, I call it beautiful - I loved the look of Miami Vice... I'm really hoping I can get that out of the EX, or at least close to it, because I haven't been able to with my A1 now. I'm also hoping I can get beautiful stable (and clean) images in bright light. Both have their place and both can be beautiful used in the right situation - so I'd prefer a camera that can produce both.

December 15th, 2007, 05:35 PM	#1
Paul Chiu Major Player Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: new york Posts: 231	Match night scenes in Collateral and Miami Vice? In Collateral and Miami Vice, they use some hd cam of sorts in all the night scenes. i am not sure what michael mann used in vice but some said it's the sony f900 on Collateral. can the new pmw-ex1 with the smaller 1/2" sensors match the bigger f900 in terms of these night and low light level scenes. yes, i am aware that even with these scenes, there are a ton of external lighting used, so our mileage will vary with the ex1, but can we get most of that "look"? paul

December 16th, 2007, 03:51 AM	#3
Vidar Vedaa Major Player Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: bergen norway Posts: 235	XDCAM EX vs 900cam Hallo Paul I read this artical about HD ,may bee this give a anser Weblink http://www.studiodaily.com/hdstudio/...oice/8102.html Regards V Vedaa Wildlfe-video:http://web.mac.com/vidarjohannesveda...Info-home.html

December 15th, 2007, 06:58 PM	#2
Eric Pascarelli Major Player Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 498	The Viper was used on Collateral. It's also a 2/3", but overall a bit more camera than the F900. I think with the proper lighting (e.g. Paul Cameron shooting) you can get a similar look with the EX1, but you will never match the smoothness and depth in the dark areas.

December 16th, 2007, 03:19 PM	#5
Tim Polster Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Arlington, TX Posts: 2,231	From what I viewed in the Miami Vice movie, you would not want the EX to resemble that look. The night scenes IMHO had a ton a of noise for no reason as the characters were not in total darkness like a 'night vision' type of look. I wondered why all of the noise was part of the scenes.

December 21st, 2007, 08:32 PM	#6
Greg Voevodsky Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Portola Valley Posts: 105	Why would you want to look like the horrific movie Miami Vice? It was noisy, out of focus, soft - I had to walk out of the theater - worse shooting since Chiat's Day shakey camera introduced the barf camera in commercials many years ago - it was fore runner of Blair Witch. Avoid this for the rest of us that make a living creating beautiful stable images. Thanks.