EX1 HDSDI to Laptop at DVinfo.net

Charles Young · December 11th, 2007, 04:17 PM

I am thinking of buying a EX1 and matching it with this laptop for HDSDI capture:

http://eurocom.com/products/showroom...m?model_id=188

I have not been able to find an Express Card HDSDI capture card.

I think it could be a desktop replacement for on site capture, editing and DVD burning.

Just wanted to see what the crew here thought...?

Jason Bodnar · December 11th, 2007, 04:52 PM

Plan on keeping it plugged in....The Battery life will be horrible! They say 1.5 hrs but that probably will never happen under the conditions you would be running especially with those specs. Great Specs though and over all sounds like a killer laptop...I too have never seen an HDSDI express car for capture...But you could just use a Decklink.

Jamie Allan · December 11th, 2007, 05:47 PM

I dont think an express card could handle uncompressed HDSDI, I've certainly never seen/heard of one - and I probably would of. Your best bet for a laptop solution is the MOTU V3, Adobe On Location and an eSata raid but then you're still only capping uncompressed DVCPRO HD....surely the huge advantage of this camera is the workflow this method makes it a whole lot more expensive...

Eric Pascarelli · December 11th, 2007, 06:17 PM

There was a company that had an HDSDI Express 34 on their website as a "coming soon.." product. It was there for awhile and I used to check back on its status, but it never materialized. Now all references to it have disappeared. It must have been difficult or impossible to engineer, or not worth it given the potential market.

Kevin Shaw · December 11th, 2007, 06:17 PM

Not bad, but if you're going to spend that kind of money why not wait for the Convergent Designs CF-based recorder or the proposed Cineform equivalent? Those offer a more manageable bit rate and are probably more portable, plus should be less likely to get stolen than a souped-up laptop.

Ken Hull · December 11th, 2007, 06:39 PM

Charles,
You might want to look at the AJA Hi5 HD-SDI/SDI to HDMI Video and Audio Converter. I think you could use it to connect an HD-SDI camera to an HDMI input card like the Black Magic Intensity.

www.aja.com/html/products_converters_HI5.html

($489.95 at B&H)

Ken Hull

Charles Young · December 13th, 2007, 12:54 AM

From what I understand HDSDI is 1.4Mb/sec. The Hard drives will do 3.0Mb'sec and in RAID 0 that should be X3 about 9Mb/sec. The drives should be able to handle it but...

Acquiring the video needs to be HDSDI in or use a converter to get HDMI.

The MOTU V3 is a 1394B device. 1394B is 800Mb/sec...? How does that work?

chuck

Kevin Shaw · December 13th, 2007, 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charles Young

From what I understand HDSDI is 1.4Mb/sec. The Hard drives will do 3.0Mb'sec and in RAID 0 that should be X3 about 9Mb/sec. The drives should be able to handle it but...

Your numbers are off: standard uncompressed HD is ~1.5 gigabits/second which equals 187.5 MB/sec, while a good single hard drive can sustain speeds of roughly 30-50 MB/sec reliably. That means you need at least a 4-drive RAID to capture and play uncompressed HD, which is why most of us use some form of compression for most purposes.

And I don't know how one could get 1.5 Gb/sec through an 800 Mbps firewire bus, so something doesn't add up there.

Peter Ferling · December 13th, 2007, 10:54 AM

Prospect 2k is a decent alternative to uncompressed HD-SDI. Easier on the array and you can edit the material on non-HD-SDI machine. However, capture, export, and monitoring via HD-SDI will require an AJA card or similiar. At the present, a compromise would be a shoebox or shuttle based PC with a carrying handle that will accomodate a full sized card.

Still, how are you going to carry/acomodate an external array? Kinda makes the laptop not as portable a solution. (A shuttle could also accomodate a two disk array... have to test that one first).

An HD-SDI express card would be a huge benefit,and couple that with an array made from solid state drives at 1/4 the power, size, and weight (when available), I could easily replace my quad workstation with a loaded Dell laptop.

Patience, technology/availability is almost there... one more cycle...

Noah Yuan-Vogel · December 13th, 2007, 11:50 AM

I think that fitting the 10bit 422 HD signal over an expresscard 1x pci-e bus might be a bit tough. granted the intensity does it (although im not sure it supports more than 8bit), but most HD-SDI cards like decklink or kona are pci-e 4x. my understanding is that a single pci-e lane is 250MBps, so its not totally impossible, but ~190MBps HDSDI (not sure about that number) is awfully close considering there is no doubt other communication going over than pci-e lane as well.

Dean Harrington · December 13th, 2007, 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jason Bodnar

Plan on keeping it plugged in....The Battery life will be horrible! They say 1.5 hrs but that probably will never happen under the conditions you would be running especially with those specs. Great Specs though and over all sounds like a killer laptop...I too have never seen an HDSDI express car for capture...But you could just use a Decklink.

this little battery might help the battery drain.
http://www.tekkeon.com/site/products-mypowerall.php

Tom Frisch · December 20th, 2007, 03:48 PM

The MOTU V3 is DVCPro HD, not uncompressed, which is how they can send the signal over firewire. (I believe it can work over regular firewire too).

December 11th, 2007, 04:17 PM	#1
Charles Young Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Heeney colorado Posts: 103	EX1 HDSDI to Laptop I am thinking of buying a EX1 and matching it with this laptop for HDSDI capture: http://eurocom.com/products/showroom...m?model_id=188 I have not been able to find an Express Card HDSDI capture card. I think it could be a desktop replacement for on site capture, editing and DVD burning. Just wanted to see what the crew here thought...?

December 13th, 2007, 10:54 AM	#9
Peter Ferling Trustee Join Date: May 2005 Location: Wyomissing, PA Posts: 1,141 Images: 57	Prospect 2k is a decent alternative to uncompressed HD-SDI. Easier on the array and you can edit the material on non-HD-SDI machine. However, capture, export, and monitoring via HD-SDI will require an AJA card or similiar. At the present, a compromise would be a shoebox or shuttle based PC with a carrying handle that will accomodate a full sized card. Still, how are you going to carry/acomodate an external array? Kinda makes the laptop not as portable a solution. (A shuttle could also accomodate a two disk array... have to test that one first). An HD-SDI express card would be a huge benefit,and couple that with an array made from solid state drives at 1/4 the power, size, and weight (when available), I could easily replace my quad workstation with a loaded Dell laptop. Patience, technology/availability is almost there... one more cycle... __________________ Pete Ferling http://ferling.net It's never a mistake if you learn something new from it. -------------------------------------------

December 11th, 2007, 04:52 PM	#2
Jason Bodnar Major Player Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Seattle WA Posts: 376	Plan on keeping it plugged in....The Battery life will be horrible! They say 1.5 hrs but that probably will never happen under the conditions you would be running especially with those specs. Great Specs though and over all sounds like a killer laptop...I too have never seen an HDSDI express car for capture...But you could just use a Decklink.

December 11th, 2007, 05:47 PM	#3
Jamie Allan Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Notts, UK Posts: 101	I dont think an express card could handle uncompressed HDSDI, I've certainly never seen/heard of one - and I probably would of. Your best bet for a laptop solution is the MOTU V3, Adobe On Location and an eSata raid but then you're still only capping uncompressed DVCPRO HD....surely the huge advantage of this camera is the workflow this method makes it a whole lot more expensive...

December 11th, 2007, 06:17 PM	#4
Eric Pascarelli Major Player Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 498	There was a company that had an HDSDI Express 34 on their website as a "coming soon.." product. It was there for awhile and I used to check back on its status, but it never materialized. Now all references to it have disappeared. It must have been difficult or impossible to engineer, or not worth it given the potential market.

December 11th, 2007, 06:17 PM	#5
Kevin Shaw Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 2,488	Not bad, but if you're going to spend that kind of money why not wait for the Convergent Designs CF-based recorder or the proposed Cineform equivalent? Those offer a more manageable bit rate and are probably more portable, plus should be less likely to get stolen than a souped-up laptop.

December 11th, 2007, 06:39 PM	#6
Ken Hull Major Player Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 240	Charles, You might want to look at the AJA Hi5 HD-SDI/SDI to HDMI Video and Audio Converter. I think you could use it to connect an HD-SDI camera to an HDMI input card like the Black Magic Intensity. www.aja.com/html/products_converters_HI5.html ($489.95 at B&H) Ken Hull

December 13th, 2007, 12:54 AM	#7
Charles Young Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Heeney colorado Posts: 103	From what I understand HDSDI is 1.4Mb/sec. The Hard drives will do 3.0Mb'sec and in RAID 0 that should be X3 about 9Mb/sec. The drives should be able to handle it but... Acquiring the video needs to be HDSDI in or use a converter to get HDMI. The MOTU V3 is a 1394B device. 1394B is 800Mb/sec...? How does that work? chuck

December 13th, 2007, 11:50 AM	#10
Noah Yuan-Vogel Major Player Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: New York City Posts: 613	I think that fitting the 10bit 422 HD signal over an expresscard 1x pci-e bus might be a bit tough. granted the intensity does it (although im not sure it supports more than 8bit), but most HD-SDI cards like decklink or kona are pci-e 4x. my understanding is that a single pci-e lane is 250MBps, so its not totally impossible, but ~190MBps HDSDI (not sure about that number) is awfully close considering there is no doubt other communication going over than pci-e lane as well.

December 20th, 2007, 03:48 PM	#12
Tom Frisch New Boot Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Portland, OR, USA Posts: 12	The MOTU V3 is DVCPro HD, not uncompressed, which is how they can send the signal over firewire. (I believe it can work over regular firewire too).