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Adam Reuter · December 1st, 2007, 02:23 PM

Did Sony do this camera justice by putting in some nice audio circuitry? If you also own an HVX200 does it compare well?

Sample audio clips would be great.

Michael Mann · December 1st, 2007, 04:11 PM

Did Sony add a limiter?

Carlos Moreira · December 1st, 2007, 05:56 PM

I guess unfortunately not. So you have to level with lots of headroom, which partially negates the advantage of 16 bit uncompressed audio.

Michael Mann · December 2nd, 2007, 04:16 AM

No limiter for a pro-cam like the EX1? That would not make no sense at all. Let's hope it's just hided somewhere in the menues.

Greg Hawkes · December 2nd, 2007, 05:22 PM

Does anybody now how how the auto level control compares with Sony's DSR300 which I use?

Have always found that the DSR300 gives a good level without distortion for discos and church organ. I believe this camera has a good limiter.
It has been mentioned that the EX1 does not have a limiter. Is this really true?

Leonard Levy · December 2nd, 2007, 05:33 PM

Just looked the menus - no limiter.

Michael Mann · December 3rd, 2007, 03:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leonard Levy

Just looked the menus - no limiter.

Very annoying - even the consumer FX1 has a limiter!
Thanks Leonard for verifying this.

Piotr Wozniacki · December 3rd, 2007, 03:22 AM

OK, so it's not in the menu - perhaps it's not switchable, but still there? I'll start considering it a problem once I get badly distorted audio.

Michael Mann · December 3rd, 2007, 03:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Piotr Wozniacki

OK, so it's not in the menu - perhaps it's not switchable, but still there?

I really hope so, since I experienced heavy clippings with my Canon A1 that hasn't a limiter (neither switchable nor by default). Does the EX1-manual say anything about a soft clipping feature?

Paul Cook · December 3rd, 2007, 05:58 AM

Thats a bummer if its true - so what are the options in this intance if you need a limiter? Find a small form field mixer that has one and patch from mic to mixer to camera?

Im sure Ive seen one small enough to mount on a cam, 4-5 inches or so.

Ray Bell · December 3rd, 2007, 06:37 AM

Might as well start working on this now.... if you want good audio it seems
that a good mike or set of mikes is going to be required and a mixer with
limiters and such.....

Here's two I'm looking at:

Sound Devices 302
and
Sound Devices Mixpre

Michael Mann · December 3rd, 2007, 07:23 AM

Ray, theses are fine pieces, I own a 702 myself. But - beeing a one man team - I really don't like the idea of carrying a seperate mixer/recorder "only" to use its limiter.
Dear Sony designers: Was it intention - if so, I'd really like to learn why! - or did you simply forget to add a limiter?

Bob Grant · December 3rd, 2007, 07:49 AM

Are you asking for a limiter or AGC, they're quite different beasts and I don't recall a limiter on any Sony camera.

Michael Mann · December 3rd, 2007, 08:01 AM

Bob, I am asking for a limiter. I was told even the FX1 has a limiter but I am not sure.

Piotr Wozniacki · December 3rd, 2007, 08:41 AM

Yes, I've just checked and both the Z1 and FX1 have limiter switchable in the audio menu. The V1 doesn't have one, however - and now it's been dropped with the EX1.

December 1st, 2007, 02:23 PM	#1
Adam Reuter Major Player Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Baltimore, Maryland Posts: 234	How's the Audio? Did Sony do this camera justice by putting in some nice audio circuitry? If you also own an HVX200 does it compare well? Sample audio clips would be great.

December 1st, 2007, 04:11 PM	#2
Michael Mann Major Player Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Kelkheim, Germany Posts: 375	Did Sony add a limiter? __________________ Michael

December 2nd, 2007, 04:16 AM	#4
Michael Mann Major Player Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Kelkheim, Germany Posts: 375	No limiter for a pro-cam like the EX1? That would not make no sense at all. Let's hope it's just hided somewhere in the menues. __________________ Michael

December 2nd, 2007, 05:22 PM	#5
Greg Hawkes Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Basingstoke Posts: 83	Audio from EX1 Does anybody now how how the auto level control compares with Sony's DSR300 which I use? Have always found that the DSR300 gives a good level without distortion for discos and church organ. I believe this camera has a good limiter. It has been mentioned that the EX1 does not have a limiter. Is this really true?

December 3rd, 2007, 03:22 AM	#8
Piotr Wozniacki Inner Circle Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Poland Posts: 4,086	OK, so it's not in the menu - perhaps it's not switchable, but still there? I'll start considering it a problem once I get badly distorted audio. __________________ Sony PXW-FS7 \| DaVinci Resolve Studio; Magix Vegas Pro; i7-5960X CPU; 64 GB RAM; 2x GTX 1080 8GB GPU; Decklink 4K Extreme 12G; 4x 3TB WD Black in RAID 0; 1TB M.2 NVMe cache drive

December 1st, 2007, 05:56 PM	#3
Carlos Moreira Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Spain, Barcelona Posts: 27	I guess unfortunately not. So you have to level with lots of headroom, which partially negates the advantage of 16 bit uncompressed audio.

December 2nd, 2007, 05:33 PM	#6
Leonard Levy Trustee Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: USA Posts: 1,684	Just looked the menus - no limiter.

December 3rd, 2007, 05:58 AM	#10
Paul Cook Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 174	Thats a bummer if its true - so what are the options in this intance if you need a limiter? Find a small form field mixer that has one and patch from mic to mixer to camera? Im sure Ive seen one small enough to mount on a cam, 4-5 inches or so.

December 3rd, 2007, 06:37 AM	#11
Ray Bell Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,414	Might as well start working on this now.... if you want good audio it seems that a good mike or set of mikes is going to be required and a mixer with limiters and such..... Here's two I'm looking at: Sound Devices 302 and Sound Devices Mixpre Attached Images

December 3rd, 2007, 07:23 AM	#12
Michael Mann Major Player Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Kelkheim, Germany Posts: 375	Ray, theses are fine pieces, I own a 702 myself. But - beeing a one man team - I really don't like the idea of carrying a seperate mixer/recorder "only" to use its limiter. Dear Sony designers: Was it intention - if so, I'd really like to learn why! - or did you simply forget to add a limiter? __________________ Michael

December 3rd, 2007, 07:49 AM	#13
Bob Grant Trustee Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Sydney Australia Posts: 1,570	Are you asking for a limiter or AGC, they're quite different beasts and I don't recall a limiter on any Sony camera.

December 3rd, 2007, 08:01 AM	#14
Michael Mann Major Player Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Kelkheim, Germany Posts: 375	Bob, I am asking for a limiter. I was told even the FX1 has a limiter but I am not sure. __________________ Michael

December 3rd, 2007, 08:41 AM	#15
Piotr Wozniacki Inner Circle Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Poland Posts: 4,086	Yes, I've just checked and both the Z1 and FX1 have limiter switchable in the audio menu. The V1 doesn't have one, however - and now it's been dropped with the EX1. __________________ Sony PXW-FS7 \| DaVinci Resolve Studio; Magix Vegas Pro; i7-5960X CPU; 64 GB RAM; 2x GTX 1080 8GB GPU; Decklink 4K Extreme 12G; 4x 3TB WD Black in RAID 0; 1TB M.2 NVMe cache drive