Comparison EX1

Robert Schemitsch · October 8th, 2007, 11:06 AM

I found this comparison between the two cams.
Unfortunately its in german, but there are quite a few pix.

http://www.slashcam.de/artikel/Test/...y-PMW-EX1.html

have fun...

Peter Jefferson · October 8th, 2007, 11:45 AM

http://translate.google.com/translat...W%2dEX1%2ehtml

This comparison is a little off.. have a look at the difference in DoF of the first image comparison. The red circle thing on the left is tack sharp on the EX1 and the tower itself is out of focus. Sharpness at full tele wide open (as he's describing here) is a misnomer.
On the HVX the tower is slightly out of focus but the colour gradation of the shot looks like hes using CinegammaV, which makes the colours really REALLY punchy.

The low light comparison is not a surprise though, then again, I've shot with an HVX with a lampshade on and its been MUCH brighter than this.. I seriously doubt this lowlight comparison to be very accurate.

I wouldnt mind seeing an EX go up against an XLh1/A1 though

David Parks · October 8th, 2007, 12:02 PM

Thanks Robert.

My German is poor at best, but from the pictures you certainly get the sense that the EX has a shallower DOF and a wider latitude. The low light 0db comparison showed that the EX 1/2 CMOS is a marked improvement over the HVX 200. I'm normally preaching against judging stills as a quality reference.
But, I'm seeing a clear trend where Sony is going with this. And it seems to be aimed at guys like me. So maybe I a little blinded by the possibilities.

I've not been this jazzed about a new camera is quite some time.
Cheers.

Robert Schemitsch · October 8th, 2007, 12:16 PM

Thats right, David.

I also have to mention, that a pre-series model was tested, which has an bug in the iris, so most of the pictures in day-light are over-exposed. You can see this very good in the pictures with the tower.
Sony Germany confirmed the bug and said, that they are currently working on it.

What Peter says is also right. It is a spelling mistake in german language and so it is also miss-translated. The first picture shows DOF with the iris fully opened.

Best regards@all
Robert

Steven Thomas · October 8th, 2007, 02:02 PM

What caught my eye was the low light difference between the HVX200 and EX at 0dB both wide open. It appears to have the HVX200 by a couple stops.
Well to be fair, the EX is 1/2" cam, but at the same time, pixel size should be smaller due to rez.

This is actually better than I originally thought. I heard it may be a stop better than the F330/350.

Mike Williams · October 9th, 2007, 11:59 AM

I posted on the low light comparo that really shows an amazing difference.

Regardless of technical specs such as chip size, iris, etc the net result is what we want. A great picture for a price we can deal with. The HVX and EX are line priced and just in low light performance the decision is a no brainer.

Longer recording times and cheaper media are all gravy...

Mike

Thomas Smet · October 9th, 2007, 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Williams

I posted on the low light comparo that really shows an amazing difference.

Regardless of technical specs such as chip size, iris, etc the net result is what we want. A great picture for a price we can deal with. The HVX and EX are line priced and just in low light performance the decision is a no brainer.

Longer recording times and cheaper media are all gravy...

Mike

Not to mention the HD-SDI output and the chance that it actually outputs live 10bit video is an extra helping of gravy... If you are somebody who really wants the most pristine image quality for visual effects then no camera format itself will ever cut it compared to uncompressed or lightly compressed footage. Having an SDI output and the chance that it may actually be 10 bits will totally smoke any live feed from the 8 bit analog component outputs on the HVX200. That to me is a no brainer for live visual effects work.

John Bosco Jr. · October 11th, 2007, 01:15 AM

Oh my gosh, the one telltale sign I observed is the Sony bluish picture is back. This camera would need serious tweaking. Does anyone know of the custom adjustments on the EX1. I expected a shallower depth of field and better low light performance with 1/2" chips. Also, the combination of CMOS and bigger sensors lend to better latitude. However, All in all, I actually preferred the HVX 200 picture vs EX 1. I would like to see the Canon A1 footage vs EX 1.

Steven Thomas · October 11th, 2007, 06:12 AM

John, where did you see the EX?

Simon Wyndham · October 11th, 2007, 03:53 PM

Quote:

Oh my gosh, the one telltale sign I observed is the Sony bluish picture is back

Can't say I've noticed that in my use of it. However the camera has a linear matrix adjustment with exactly the same range of adjustment as the full size cameras.

Steven Thomas · October 11th, 2007, 05:20 PM

If his thoughts came from the German comparison, it was already noted the they had an exposure problem with their pre release EX. Also, the white balance was not correct.

John Bosco Jr. · October 12th, 2007, 06:21 PM

It was pretty early in the morning when I wrote my previous comment. Yes, it was the German pics I was commenting about, and as some of the other replies indicated, those results can't be trusted. My bad. So, anyway, it appears the EX is going to be a really nice camera.

Steven Thomas · October 12th, 2007, 07:10 PM

John, we hope so, but as you know, we never can tell until we try it ourselfs.

Ariel Sasaki · October 18th, 2007, 09:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Bosco Jr.

I would like to see the Canon A1 footage vs EX 1.

It's kinda soft compared to A1, acording to this cite,
http://www.slashcam.de/images/texte/...arf-scharf.jpg

I can't seem to find any other footage comparing to A1.

Steven Thomas · October 18th, 2007, 09:53 AM

Ariel,
that does not look like a good example for the EX.
To me, it appears not so much detail, but the focus and
image contrast look different than the A1.

I've heard from some early tests it comes close to 1000 lines.
That sounds good to me!

October 8th, 2007, 11:06 AM	#1
Robert Schemitsch Regular Crew Join Date: May 2007 Location: Graz, Austria Posts: 44	Comparison EX1 - HVX200 I found this comparison between the two cams. Unfortunately its in german, but there are quite a few pix. http://www.slashcam.de/artikel/Test/...y-PMW-EX1.html have fun...

October 8th, 2007, 12:02 PM	#3
David Parks Major Player Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Houston Posts: 789	Thanks Robert. My German is poor at best, but from the pictures you certainly get the sense that the EX has a shallower DOF and a wider latitude. The low light 0db comparison showed that the EX 1/2 CMOS is a marked improvement over the HVX 200. I'm normally preaching against judging stills as a quality reference. But, I'm seeing a clear trend where Sony is going with this. And it seems to be aimed at guys like me. So maybe I a little blinded by the possibilities. I've not been this jazzed about a new camera is quite some time. Cheers. __________________ David Parks: DP/Editor: Jacobs Aerospace at NASA Johnson Space Center https://www.youtube.com/user/JacobsESCG

October 9th, 2007, 11:59 AM	#6
Mike Williams Major Player Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: USVI Posts: 232	Chip Size etc I posted on the low light comparo that really shows an amazing difference. Regardless of technical specs such as chip size, iris, etc the net result is what we want. A great picture for a price we can deal with. The HVX and EX are line priced and just in low light performance the decision is a no brainer. Longer recording times and cheaper media are all gravy... Mike

October 8th, 2007, 11:45 AM	#2
Peter Jefferson Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Aus Posts: 3,884	http://translate.google.com/translat...W%2dEX1%2ehtml This comparison is a little off.. have a look at the difference in DoF of the first image comparison. The red circle thing on the left is tack sharp on the EX1 and the tower itself is out of focus. Sharpness at full tele wide open (as he's describing here) is a misnomer. On the HVX the tower is slightly out of focus but the colour gradation of the shot looks like hes using CinegammaV, which makes the colours really REALLY punchy. The low light comparison is not a surprise though, then again, I've shot with an HVX with a lampshade on and its been MUCH brighter than this.. I seriously doubt this lowlight comparison to be very accurate. I wouldnt mind seeing an EX go up against an XLh1/A1 though

October 8th, 2007, 12:16 PM	#4
Robert Schemitsch Regular Crew Join Date: May 2007 Location: Graz, Austria Posts: 44	Thats right, David. I also have to mention, that a pre-series model was tested, which has an bug in the iris, so most of the pictures in day-light are over-exposed. You can see this very good in the pictures with the tower. Sony Germany confirmed the bug and said, that they are currently working on it. What Peter says is also right. It is a spelling mistake in german language and so it is also miss-translated. The first picture shows DOF with the iris fully opened. Best regards@all Robert

October 8th, 2007, 02:02 PM	#5
Steven Thomas Trustee Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 1,896	What caught my eye was the low light difference between the HVX200 and EX at 0dB both wide open. It appears to have the HVX200 by a couple stops. Well to be fair, the EX is 1/2" cam, but at the same time, pixel size should be smaller due to rez. This is actually better than I originally thought. I heard it may be a stop better than the F330/350.

October 11th, 2007, 01:15 AM	#8
John Bosco Jr. Major Player Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Pinellas Park Posts: 232	Oh my gosh, the one telltale sign I observed is the Sony bluish picture is back. This camera would need serious tweaking. Does anyone know of the custom adjustments on the EX1. I expected a shallower depth of field and better low light performance with 1/2" chips. Also, the combination of CMOS and bigger sensors lend to better latitude. However, All in all, I actually preferred the HVX 200 picture vs EX 1. I would like to see the Canon A1 footage vs EX 1.

October 11th, 2007, 06:12 AM	#9
Steven Thomas Trustee Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 1,896	John, where did you see the EX?

October 11th, 2007, 05:20 PM	#11
Steven Thomas Trustee Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 1,896	If his thoughts came from the German comparison, it was already noted the they had an exposure problem with their pre release EX. Also, the white balance was not correct.

October 12th, 2007, 06:21 PM	#12
John Bosco Jr. Major Player Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Pinellas Park Posts: 232	It was pretty early in the morning when I wrote my previous comment. Yes, it was the German pics I was commenting about, and as some of the other replies indicated, those results can't be trusted. My bad. So, anyway, it appears the EX is going to be a really nice camera.

October 12th, 2007, 07:10 PM	#13
Steven Thomas Trustee Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 1,896	John, we hope so, but as you know, we never can tell until we try it ourselfs.

October 18th, 2007, 09:53 AM	#15
Steven Thomas Trustee Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 1,896	Ariel, that does not look like a good example for the EX. To me, it appears not so much detail, but the focus and image contrast look different than the A1. I've heard from some early tests it comes close to 1000 lines. That sounds good to me!