The New F

Chris Medico · October 23rd, 2012, 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dennis Hingsberg

.... this might confirm my suspicion of being switchable between FF and S35.

If it is going to be a professional lens mount such as PL there is little chance it will be FF. There is very little PL glass that will cover FF.

David Heath · October 24th, 2012, 03:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dennis Hingsberg

.... this might confirm my suspicion of being switchable between FF and S35.

I don't see how. It's very likely the s35 area will be covered by about 9.8 megapixels, if the same sensor as the fs700 is used (11.6mp) the extra are only roughly 20% more area, well short of the doubling that would be needed for FF. This is aside from any considerations of how the read mechanism would work and lens implications.

But spread around the outside edge of the active 9.8mp, that extra 20% would be what would be required to give a non-recorded viewfinding option, so, as with film, you could see such as mic booms coming into shot BEFORE they impact on the actual recorded picture.

Andy Shipsides · October 24th, 2012, 04:42 AM

There are too few FF lenses in PL mount, and a switchable design would only mean caviates on both modes. Plus the Sony Facebook page is called SonySuper35. So I think it's safe to assume what the sensor size is. BTW the Facebook image is now showing more.

Andy

Dennis Hingsberg · October 25th, 2012, 04:30 PM

..I know, I know, I'm just playing along with my photoshop image job.. which by the way has landed on the pages or RED recently.

Swen Goebbels · October 29th, 2012, 10:57 PM

F5 and F55:
Sony | Showcase

Mark OConnell · October 29th, 2012, 11:07 PM

Prices TBA

Swen Goebbels · October 29th, 2012, 11:14 PM

Looks very nice, but you're right without a price it is hard to say if this would be a gamechanger for me.

Dennis Hingsberg · October 29th, 2012, 11:30 PM

Need some photos here in this thread too:

F5

Super-sampling: Spectacular HD, 2K or 4K
4K/2K RAW recording option
The future is built in
Vast exposure latitude
Viewfinders as revolutionary as the camera
Optional shoulder rig
Modularity and versatility
Choice of recording formats
High speed shooting at up to 120 fps in 2K
High-speed SxS PRO+ media cards
Real world workflows
Incredible flexibilty: PL-mount, FZ-mount and still lenses
Sony CineAlta PL-mount prime lenses: A new generation
More than just a pretty interface
The connections you need
Long-life Olivine Battery

Swen Goebbels · October 29th, 2012, 11:47 PM

Does anybody have a picture of the right side of the camera? My question is, if the F5 has a zoom rocker like the F3 so I could use the Sony SCL-Z18X140 Power Zoom Lens when needed?

Glen Vandermolen · October 29th, 2012, 11:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swen Goebbels

Does anybody have a picture of the right side of the camera? My question is, if the F5 has a zoom rocker like the F3 so I could use the Sony SCL-Z18X140 Power Zoom Lens when needed?

Yes, that power zoom lens is specifically mentioned as a lens to be used with the new cameras. It's listed in this pdf:

http://pro.sony.com/bbsccms/assets/f.../F5_Camera.pdf

Swen Goebbels · October 29th, 2012, 11:57 PM

Thank you Glen! Yes I've seen that in the pdf, but I wasn't sure about if this is true.

Greg Penetrante · October 30th, 2012, 12:51 AM

Wait! What about AUDIO input provisions? As usual, treated like a red-headed stepchild ;)
They mention XLR inputs in passing, just a few words.

Cheers
Greg

Jack Zhang · October 30th, 2012, 01:14 AM

What I love about the F55 is the Global Shutter. Finally...

But, what I'm concerned about for the XAVC codec is whether it supports 1080p60 in Intra-frame. If we could get both 1080p60 and Global Shutter and Intra-frame recording native 60p (not overcranked or etc without audio) this would hands down be the killer cam to own.

Unfortunately, looks like the F5 is still rolling shutter. If the tech could propagate down for global shutters, it'd only be better for everyone.

Swen Goebbels · October 30th, 2012, 01:30 AM

Jack I agree with you. I want also 1080p50/60 including audio. AVCHD 2.0 can do this so I hope it shouldn't be a problem for XAVC.

Jack Zhang · October 30th, 2012, 01:36 AM

the 100Mbps 10bit option might be the best bet for that. If it's intra frame and 1080p60, that would be best.

AVCHD 2.0 at 28Mbps is not enough. The GH3's GOP based 50Mbps is better, but it's 4:2:0.

Edit:

Oh, OK, so Sony and Panasonic are in the same boat right now... The XAVC codec is not going to be in the cameras at launch, like the HPX600.

Also, F5 supports 60fps out of the box, but it's unclear if it's cranked or normal recording.

And since the spec hasn't been implemented yet, can we all wish for a 200Mbps Intra frame option in XAVC before AVC-Ultra comes out?

October 24th, 2012, 04:42 AM	#93
Andy Shipsides Sponsor: Abel CineTech Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: New York, NY Posts: 361	Re: The New F There are too few FF lenses in PL mount, and a switchable design would only mean caviates on both modes. Plus the Sony Facebook page is called SonySuper35. So I think it's safe to assume what the sensor size is. BTW the Facebook image is now showing more. Andy __________________ Andy Shipsides -Camera Technology Specialist AbelCineTech, New York - Visit our Blog - http://blog.abelcine.com

October 25th, 2012, 04:30 PM	#94
Dennis Hingsberg Trustee Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,055	Re: The New F ..I know, I know, I'm just playing along with my photoshop image job.. which by the way has landed on the pages or RED recently. __________________ Blog: www.hingsberg.com Ultimate Exposure Guides for FS5/F7S/F5/F55

October 29th, 2012, 10:57 PM	#95
Swen Goebbels Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Aachen, Germany and Las Vegas NV Posts: 107	Re: The New F F5 and F55: Sony \| Showcase

October 29th, 2012, 11:07 PM	#96
Mark OConnell Major Player Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Seattle WA Posts: 420	Re: The New F Prices TBA __________________ http://www.markoconnell.org

October 29th, 2012, 11:14 PM	#97
Swen Goebbels Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Aachen, Germany and Las Vegas NV Posts: 107	Re: The New F Looks very nice, but you're right without a price it is hard to say if this would be a gamechanger for me.

October 29th, 2012, 11:30 PM	#98
Dennis Hingsberg Trustee Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,055	Re: The New F Need some photos here in this thread too: F5 Super-sampling: Spectacular HD, 2K or 4K 4K/2K RAW recording option The future is built in Vast exposure latitude Viewfinders as revolutionary as the camera Optional shoulder rig Modularity and versatility Choice of recording formats High speed shooting at up to 120 fps in 2K High-speed SxS PRO+ media cards Real world workflows Incredible flexibilty: PL-mount, FZ-mount and still lenses Sony CineAlta PL-mount prime lenses: A new generation More than just a pretty interface The connections you need Long-life Olivine Battery __________________ Blog: www.hingsberg.com Ultimate Exposure Guides for FS5/F7S/F5/F55

October 29th, 2012, 11:47 PM	#99
Swen Goebbels Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Aachen, Germany and Las Vegas NV Posts: 107	Re: The New F Does anybody have a picture of the right side of the camera? My question is, if the F5 has a zoom rocker like the F3 so I could use the Sony SCL-Z18X140 Power Zoom Lens when needed?

October 29th, 2012, 11:57 PM	#101
Swen Goebbels Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Aachen, Germany and Las Vegas NV Posts: 107	Re: The New F Thank you Glen! Yes I've seen that in the pdf, but I wasn't sure about if this is true.

October 30th, 2012, 12:51 AM	#102
Greg Penetrante Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 70	Re: The New F Wait! What about AUDIO input provisions? As usual, treated like a red-headed stepchild ;) They mention XLR inputs in passing, just a few words. Cheers Greg Last edited by Greg Penetrante; October 30th, 2012 at 12:57 AM. Reason: Just read the PDF closer and found XLR input module

October 30th, 2012, 01:14 AM	#103
Jack Zhang Inner Circle Join Date: May 2005 Location: Burnaby, BC, Canada Posts: 3,053	Re: The New F What I love about the F55 is the Global Shutter. Finally... But, what I'm concerned about for the XAVC codec is whether it supports 1080p60 in Intra-frame. If we could get both 1080p60 and Global Shutter and Intra-frame recording native 60p (not overcranked or etc without audio) this would hands down be the killer cam to own. Unfortunately, looks like the F5 is still rolling shutter. If the tech could propagate down for global shutters, it'd only be better for everyone.

October 30th, 2012, 01:30 AM	#104
Swen Goebbels Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Aachen, Germany and Las Vegas NV Posts: 107	Re: The New F Jack I agree with you. I want also 1080p50/60 including audio. AVCHD 2.0 can do this so I hope it shouldn't be a problem for XAVC.

October 30th, 2012, 01:36 AM	#105
Jack Zhang Inner Circle Join Date: May 2005 Location: Burnaby, BC, Canada Posts: 3,053	Re: The New F the 100Mbps 10bit option might be the best bet for that. If it's intra frame and 1080p60, that would be best. AVCHD 2.0 at 28Mbps is not enough. The GH3's GOP based 50Mbps is better, but it's 4:2:0. Edit: Oh, OK, so Sony and Panasonic are in the same boat right now... The XAVC codec is not going to be in the cameras at launch, like the HPX600. Also, F5 supports 60fps out of the box, but it's unclear if it's cranked or normal recording. And since the spec hasn't been implemented yet, can we all wish for a 200Mbps Intra frame option in XAVC before AVC-Ultra comes out? Last edited by Jack Zhang; October 30th, 2012 at 02:14 AM.