Wide Angle Adapter

Scott Shama · February 17th, 2005, 12:18 PM

What hood would you suggest when using the sony wide angle lens?

Thanks,
Scott

Tom Hardwick · February 17th, 2005, 03:58 PM

The best hoods are aspect-ratio hoods (rather than cilindrical ones) If you shoot in 16:9, aim to get a 16:9 hood. Cavision sell some good ones that clamp onto the outside of the w'angle barrel.

tom.

Laurence Kingston · February 18th, 2005, 07:32 AM

I have the Sony LSFS58 hood with the Sony VCLHG0758 wide angle lens. The LSFS58 looks just like the stock VX2000 lense hood but it is bigger, comes apart, and lets you keep your wide angle lense on all the time. This is exactly what I wanted. It's kind of minimal as a lense hood, but it's so convenient that that's what I use all the time.

James Connors · February 18th, 2005, 07:38 AM

Is there any reason to get a sunshade over a cheap (ie Formatt) matte box ?

Albert Wong · March 11th, 2005, 02:06 AM

Hello there -- another question from a relative newcomer.

I have a pd 150 and a Sony vcl-mhg07 wide-end conversion lens. 0.7.

For some reason, when I put on the conversion lens, the upper left and upper right corners of the picture seem to be clipped -- at least when I am fully zoomed out.

If I zoom in a bit, the clipping goes away (or falls off the edge of what is viewable on the screen).

But why does it clip in the first place? And is there any way to eliminate this problem?

Thanks!

Albert Wong

PS. This is what I have on the camera:
UV protector 58 mm
58 to 52 mm adapter ring
Sony vcl-mhg07 wide-end conversion lens X0.7.

Mike Rehmus · March 11th, 2005, 09:28 AM

PS. This is what I have on the camera:
UV protector 58 mm
58 to 52 mm adapter ring
Sony vcl-mhg07 wide-end conversion lens X0.7.

And that is exactly your problem. You have an undersize lens on the camera and it is bound to vignette at fully wide zoom. You will have to restrict your zoom which is hard to do or obtain a properly sized WA adapter lens for the camera.

Brian Vilevac · March 11th, 2005, 09:32 AM

If I may add,

I had the exact same problem when using the Sony .7 wide angle lense WITH a UV protector. Once I removed the UV protector and attached the lense, no more vingetting / clipping!

Albert Wong · March 11th, 2005, 12:46 PM

Thanks for the response, Mike! -- maybe not the response I wanted to hear :-( but the truth is ultimately better, isn't it.

And, Brian I will definitely give it a shot without the UV filter -- if I can figure out how to twist it off! :-) it's on really tight!

Thanks again, guys.

Albert Wong

Mike Rehmus · March 11th, 2005, 01:05 PM

Put a rubber band around it first. The reason they don't come right off is that when you squeeze them to get a good grip, you distort the threads.

Albert Wong · March 11th, 2005, 03:24 PM

Thanks for the tip :-) -- (and I thought I was going to have to start working out of the gym! :-) )

Tom Hardwick · March 12th, 2005, 02:05 PM

Don't forget that if you vignette the image as seen in the viewfinder / side-screen, then the full frame (as seen on your pc monitor and as see on the wall if projected) will show far more vignetting.

Worse is to come. If you have Steadyshot turned on and move the camera at all the vignetting will increase. The answer is to use a 58 mm w'angle converter and remove all filters between converter and camera zoom.

tom.

Albert Wong · March 14th, 2005, 03:58 AM

Tom --

oh no :-(

(And I thought I was done with new purchases for a while... ooopf)

I guess I'm going to have to start making more money so I can get more toys! :-)

Albert

Albert Wong · March 18th, 2005, 02:47 PM

Good news:

Just an update -- it turns out that without the 58 mm UV filter -- I get no "vignetting" at full wide! --

Thanks everyone.

Brandon Wood · May 4th, 2005, 10:17 AM

Just wanted some input on how others feel about the included WA lens with the PD170. I know from some of the other posts in the past many people feel its inferior to some of the other $500 - $600 lenses on the market...but how inferior do you think it is compared to the others - if any at all? How many people even use a WA?

I would be using it mainly for weddings, and I've used mine a few times around the house (i've only had the cam for about 2 weeks). It really doesn't seem very sharp, especially the more I zoom; but I don't want to spend another 5 or 6 hundred if the others don't make a huge difference. The fuzziness may just be my imagination anyway after reading the other posts.

Don Bloom · May 4th, 2005, 02:37 PM

First you have to understand that any of the WA attachment will go soft as you zoom in. You are far better off walking in to the subject than zooming.

I have both a Century Optics and a KenkoPRO for my 150s and I actually use the KenkoPRO more for a number of reasons (some are stupid) First on my monitor with my eye I have never seen a HUGH difference in the quality. Mind you I said a HUGH difference. Of course there is a difference but not enough for my clients to notice, heck, other video guys (and gals) I am friends with have a hard time seeing the difference. The Century is a tad sharper but they both have very littel fall off on the corners but again the Century has just slightly less.

As for the Sony lens, well, it's not bad. It's probably on par with the Kenko or Optix.

As for when you'll use it, I use it when I can't get the shot any other way. Especially during the reception when the dance floor is crowded. I have always liked walking the floor with the camera overhead. It can be a bit dangerous but hey thats why we get the big bucks right!?

I've used it on occassion for ceremonies-a very small chapel and sometimes outdoors depending on where I set up.
Use the right tool for the job and the job becomes a lot easier.
HTHs
Don

March 11th, 2005, 02:06 AM	#305
Albert Wong Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Los Angeles, California Posts: 34	Sony wide angle adapter clips upper left and right corners? Hello there -- another question from a relative newcomer. I have a pd 150 and a Sony vcl-mhg07 wide-end conversion lens. 0.7. For some reason, when I put on the conversion lens, the upper left and upper right corners of the picture seem to be clipped -- at least when I am fully zoomed out. If I zoom in a bit, the clipping goes away (or falls off the edge of what is viewable on the screen). But why does it clip in the first place? And is there any way to eliminate this problem? Thanks! Albert Wong PS. This is what I have on the camera: UV protector 58 mm 58 to 52 mm adapter ring Sony vcl-mhg07 wide-end conversion lens X0.7.

March 11th, 2005, 09:28 AM	#306
Mike Rehmus Wrangler Join Date: May 2002 Location: Vallejo, California Posts: 4,049	Re: Sony wide angle adapter clips upper left and right corners? PS. This is what I have on the camera: UV protector 58 mm 58 to 52 mm adapter ring Sony vcl-mhg07 wide-end conversion lens X0.7. And that is exactly your problem. You have an undersize lens on the camera and it is bound to vignette at fully wide zoom. You will have to restrict your zoom which is hard to do or obtain a properly sized WA adapter lens for the camera. __________________ Mike Rehmus Hey, I can see the carrot at the end of the tunnel!

March 11th, 2005, 12:46 PM	#308
Albert Wong Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Los Angeles, California Posts: 34	Thanks again for the response! Thanks for the response, Mike! -- maybe not the response I wanted to hear :-( but the truth is ultimately better, isn't it. And, Brian I will definitely give it a shot without the UV filter -- if I can figure out how to twist it off! :-) it's on really tight! Thanks again, guys. Albert Wong

March 11th, 2005, 01:05 PM	#309
Mike Rehmus Wrangler Join Date: May 2002 Location: Vallejo, California Posts: 4,049	Put a rubber band around it first. The reason they don't come right off is that when you squeeze them to get a good grip, you distort the threads. __________________ Mike Rehmus Hey, I can see the carrot at the end of the tunnel!

March 18th, 2005, 02:47 PM	#313
Albert Wong Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Los Angeles, California Posts: 34	Good news: Just an update -- it turns out that without the 58 mm UV filter -- I get no "vignetting" at full wide! -- Thanks everyone. __________________ ------------------------------------ Albert Wong http://www.allwong.com Los Angeles, California

February 17th, 2005, 12:18 PM	#301
Scott Shama Major Player Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Beaverton, Oregon Posts: 399	What hood would you suggest when using the sony wide angle lens? Thanks, Scott

February 17th, 2005, 03:58 PM	#302
Tom Hardwick Inner Circle Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Billericay, England UK Posts: 4,711	The best hoods are aspect-ratio hoods (rather than cilindrical ones) If you shoot in 16:9, aim to get a 16:9 hood. Cavision sell some good ones that clamp onto the outside of the w'angle barrel. tom.

February 18th, 2005, 07:32 AM	#303
Laurence Kingston Major Player Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Clermont, FL. Posts: 941	I have the Sony LSFS58 hood with the Sony VCLHG0758 wide angle lens. The LSFS58 looks just like the stock VX2000 lense hood but it is bigger, comes apart, and lets you keep your wide angle lense on all the time. This is exactly what I wanted. It's kind of minimal as a lense hood, but it's so convenient that that's what I use all the time.

February 18th, 2005, 07:38 AM	#304
James Connors Major Player Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Cardiff, UK Posts: 223	Is there any reason to get a sunshade over a cheap (ie Formatt) matte box ?

March 11th, 2005, 09:32 AM	#307
Brian Vilevac Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 50	If I may add, I had the exact same problem when using the Sony .7 wide angle lense WITH a UV protector. Once I removed the UV protector and attached the lense, no more vingetting / clipping!

March 11th, 2005, 03:24 PM	#310
Albert Wong Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Los Angeles, California Posts: 34	Thanks for the tip :-) -- (and I thought I was going to have to start working out of the gym! :-) )

March 12th, 2005, 02:05 PM	#311
Tom Hardwick Inner Circle Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Billericay, England UK Posts: 4,711	Don't forget that if you vignette the image as seen in the viewfinder / side-screen, then the full frame (as seen on your pc monitor and as see on the wall if projected) will show far more vignetting. Worse is to come. If you have Steadyshot turned on and move the camera at all the vignetting will increase. The answer is to use a 58 mm w'angle converter and remove all filters between converter and camera zoom. tom.

March 14th, 2005, 03:58 AM	#312
Albert Wong Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Los Angeles, California Posts: 34	Tom -- oh no :-( (And I thought I was done with new purchases for a while... ooopf) I guess I'm going to have to start making more money so I can get more toys! :-) Albert

May 4th, 2005, 10:17 AM	#314
Brandon Wood Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Mauriceville, TX Posts: 146	Sony Wide Angle Lens quality? Just wanted some input on how others feel about the included WA lens with the PD170. I know from some of the other posts in the past many people feel its inferior to some of the other $500 - $600 lenses on the market...but how inferior do you think it is compared to the others - if any at all? How many people even use a WA? I would be using it mainly for weddings, and I've used mine a few times around the house (i've only had the cam for about 2 weeks). It really doesn't seem very sharp, especially the more I zoom; but I don't want to spend another 5 or 6 hundred if the others don't make a huge difference. The fuzziness may just be my imagination anyway after reading the other posts.

May 4th, 2005, 02:37 PM	#315
Don Bloom Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 6,609	First you have to understand that any of the WA attachment will go soft as you zoom in. You are far better off walking in to the subject than zooming. I have both a Century Optics and a KenkoPRO for my 150s and I actually use the KenkoPRO more for a number of reasons (some are stupid) First on my monitor with my eye I have never seen a HUGH difference in the quality. Mind you I said a HUGH difference. Of course there is a difference but not enough for my clients to notice, heck, other video guys (and gals) I am friends with have a hard time seeing the difference. The Century is a tad sharper but they both have very littel fall off on the corners but again the Century has just slightly less. As for the Sony lens, well, it's not bad. It's probably on par with the Kenko or Optix. As for when you'll use it, I use it when I can't get the shot any other way. Especially during the reception when the dance floor is crowded. I have always liked walking the floor with the camera overhead. It can be a bit dangerous but hey thats why we get the big bucks right!? I've used it on occassion for ceremonies-a very small chapel and sometimes outdoors depending on where I set up. Use the right tool for the job and the job becomes a lot easier. HTHs Don