An outdoor gig shooting with VX2000 and VX2100 at DVinfo.net

Milosz Krzyzaniak · August 29th, 2004, 01:47 PM

Hello.

I will shoot a gig that that will involve two VX2000s and one VX2100 at the same time. I have a question - do their footage match each other? I mean if i set the exact same f-stop on VX2000 and VX2100, will I get the same picture or the VX21000 will be brighter due to fact that it has more sensitivity? If yes, is the difference very noticeable and how to handle this problem?

The second question is - how would you set up those three cameras to gain most efficient footage? What position of the cameras, etc.

I will appreciate any comments.

Mike Rehmus · August 29th, 2004, 01:59 PM

The cameras will be close enough that you should see very little difference.

You should always set up each camera separately to guard against mistakes. Use one camera's settings to adjust the other two but then check the image on each camera.

Answer 2. You don't give us any information about what you will be doing with the cameras, shooting conditions, what you are videotaping, etc. We cannot answer you without that information and more.

Milosz Krzyzaniak · August 29th, 2004, 02:10 PM

Good point.

So it will be a hip hop event (what could it be else in the early XXI century!). There will be a stage on a sort of playground. The gig will begin after sunset. There will be some people having fun in front of the stage... so, just a gig:)

My producer wants it to look as a videoclip, so there should be a lot of dynamic shoots, including playing/singing band and audience enjoing the gig as well.

I just may add that it's not going to be a very big event, just 200-300 people in the audience.

Boyd Ostroff · August 29th, 2004, 03:26 PM

One minor difference between the 2100 and 2000 might guide some decisions. The VX-2000 only has 12 click stops for adjusting iris in manual mode and this results in a noticeable bump as you turn the dial. They improved this somewhat on the VX-2100; it has 19 discreet stops (the PD-170 goes even further with 24 stops). So if you're going to be riding the iris in manual mode on one of these cameras, make that the VX-2100 for smoother results.

Alan Christensen · August 31st, 2004, 10:30 PM

The 3 cameras will take pretty identical video so long as you manually white balance them. The auto white balance is often a bit different between the cameras, and will often change a bit depending on the scene. This is the most critical step in getting similar footage from the 3 cameras.

Tom Hardwick · September 6th, 2004, 12:01 AM

Is that right Boyd? The VX2100 has more aperture click stops than the VX2000? Fist time I've seen this written down, so have you actually tested it to find out this information?

tom.

Boyd Ostroff · September 6th, 2004, 06:51 AM

No, I'm wrong. Thanks for pointing that out. I've been trying to find an answer to this for a little while so I finally posted another thread and got one: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...threadid=31245

The question came up on another forum so somebody there dug around Sony's website and found some misleading information. They stated that the PD-150 and VX-2000 had 12 iris steps, which is correct. But they listed the PD-170 with 24 steps and the VX-2100 with 19 which gave me the wrong impression. In fact, the VX-2100 also has 12 steps; the other 6 clicks are for gain, plus one for closed.

Bottom line is that the iris was only upgraded on the PD-170 and not the VX-2100, which is the same as the VX-2000.

Tom Hardwick · September 6th, 2004, 08:06 AM

Glad we cleared that one up. I was wobblin over the fact that it looked as if I'd been giving out duff info for nearly a year.

tom.

August 29th, 2004, 01:47 PM	#1
Milosz Krzyzaniak Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Germany Posts: 64	An outdoor gig shooting with VX2000 and VX2100 Hello. I will shoot a gig that that will involve two VX2000s and one VX2100 at the same time. I have a question - do their footage match each other? I mean if i set the exact same f-stop on VX2000 and VX2100, will I get the same picture or the VX21000 will be brighter due to fact that it has more sensitivity? If yes, is the difference very noticeable and how to handle this problem? The second question is - how would you set up those three cameras to gain most efficient footage? What position of the cameras, etc. I will appreciate any comments.

August 29th, 2004, 01:59 PM	#2
Mike Rehmus Wrangler Join Date: May 2002 Location: Vallejo, California Posts: 4,049	The cameras will be close enough that you should see very little difference. You should always set up each camera separately to guard against mistakes. Use one camera's settings to adjust the other two but then check the image on each camera. Answer 2. You don't give us any information about what you will be doing with the cameras, shooting conditions, what you are videotaping, etc. We cannot answer you without that information and more. __________________ Mike Rehmus Hey, I can see the carrot at the end of the tunnel!

August 29th, 2004, 02:10 PM	#3
Milosz Krzyzaniak Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Germany Posts: 64	Good point. So it will be a hip hop event (what could it be else in the early XXI century!). There will be a stage on a sort of playground. The gig will begin after sunset. There will be some people having fun in front of the stage... so, just a gig:) My producer wants it to look as a videoclip, so there should be a lot of dynamic shoots, including playing/singing band and audience enjoing the gig as well. I just may add that it's not going to be a very big event, just 200-300 people in the audience.

August 29th, 2004, 03:26 PM	#4
Boyd Ostroff Wrangler Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mays Landing, NJ Posts: 11,802	One minor difference between the 2100 and 2000 might guide some decisions. The VX-2000 only has 12 click stops for adjusting iris in manual mode and this results in a noticeable bump as you turn the dial. They improved this somewhat on the VX-2100; it has 19 discreet stops (the PD-170 goes even further with 24 stops). So if you're going to be riding the iris in manual mode on one of these cameras, make that the VX-2100 for smoother results.

August 31st, 2004, 10:30 PM	#5
Alan Christensen Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: California Posts: 139	The 3 cameras will take pretty identical video so long as you manually white balance them. The auto white balance is often a bit different between the cameras, and will often change a bit depending on the scene. This is the most critical step in getting similar footage from the 3 cameras.

September 6th, 2004, 12:01 AM	#6
Tom Hardwick Inner Circle Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Billericay, England UK Posts: 4,711	Is that right Boyd? The VX2100 has more aperture click stops than the VX2000? Fist time I've seen this written down, so have you actually tested it to find out this information? tom.

September 6th, 2004, 06:51 AM	#7
Boyd Ostroff Wrangler Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mays Landing, NJ Posts: 11,802	No, I'm wrong. Thanks for pointing that out. I've been trying to find an answer to this for a little while so I finally posted another thread and got one: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...threadid=31245 The question came up on another forum so somebody there dug around Sony's website and found some misleading information. They stated that the PD-150 and VX-2000 had 12 iris steps, which is correct. But they listed the PD-170 with 24 steps and the VX-2100 with 19 which gave me the wrong impression. In fact, the VX-2100 also has 12 steps; the other 6 clicks are for gain, plus one for closed. Bottom line is that the iris was only upgraded on the PD-170 and not the VX-2100, which is the same as the VX-2000.

September 6th, 2004, 08:06 AM	#8
Tom Hardwick Inner Circle Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Billericay, England UK Posts: 4,711	Glad we cleared that one up. I was wobblin over the fact that it looked as if I'd been giving out duff info for nearly a year. tom.