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Brian Patterson · August 10th, 2004, 12:55 AM

I would like to do macro photojournalistic videography with my VX2000. Is it possible to get a lens to screw on the front of the camera that will make certain objects clear while the background is blurry.....similar to the look of a lot of photography that is done these days???

Billy Dalrymple · August 10th, 2004, 06:24 AM

You can adjust the depth of field using the iris in manual mode.

Robert J. Wolff · August 10th, 2004, 07:27 AM

Brian.

Purchase a set of "+ 1/2, and a +1 diopter" that will fit your lens (72mm in the case of the Canon XL cameras).

This will allow you to convert infinity to 2 metres and 1 metres respectively; and, you will still be able to use your zoom fully. In conjunction with an iris opening in the f5.6, f4.0, f2.8, this set up will give you extremly shallow depth of field.

The +1 is fairly easy to find among filter manufactures. The +1/2 probably will have to be ordered from a film supplier.

Tom Hardwick · August 10th, 2004, 09:43 AM

I'm not sure if Brian's talking about close-up photography (in which case Robert's answer of using CU lenses is correct) or if he means 'normal' photography but with after getting very limited depth of field.

If the latter then you could buy a 2x telephoto converter and use it at maximum aperture (''open'' displayed in the v/finder), use closest focus and have the background as far away as possible. This is pretty limiting though. If you shot a human face this way it'd fill the screen and you'd have no background visible anyway.

tom.

Brian Patterson · August 10th, 2004, 11:50 AM

>>>You can adjust the depth of field using the iris in manual mode.

How do I do that? Is the Iris controlled by the same dial that you use to control manual exposure or is it in either the presets or custom pre-sets menus???

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Tom Hardwick · August 10th, 2004, 01:00 PM

To film in manual exposure. Chrome slider to the middle position. Push 'shutter speed'. Then push 'exposure' and the control wheel (ahead of the side-screen's hinge will open and close the aperture.

If you want a shallow dof (blurry backgrounds) aim to use 'open' aperture (but not gain-up). Use the ND filter switch and raise the shutter speed to allow you to do this.

tom.

Robert J. Wolff · August 10th, 2004, 06:24 PM

Tom.

I understand that Brian doesn't want to do macro.

I would think that he is after the "drama" of the situation.

As a for instantance: Many moons ago, doing a shoot for NightLine, (as it was known then), in a busy, busy, hospital corridore, subject in a corner, no room to move. I sliped a +1 on the cam, moved her (the subject) from the corner, and I took her place. Shot her with the hustle & bustle of the hospital moving around her, out of focus. Shooting it this way, with a diopter, I had a good field of the corridore, plus a decent chest up shot.

Mr. K and company, sent me a note: "Good Stuff".

And that I think is what Brian means by a blurry back ground. And thus, my recommendations.

Brian. Am I on the right track for your thoughts?

Brian Patterson · August 11th, 2004, 01:41 AM

>>>If you want a shallow dof (blurry backgrounds) aim to use 'open' aperture (but not gain-up). Use the ND filter switch and raise the shutter speed to allow you to do this.

Maybe I'm over-thinking this one, but what do you mean, "aim to use open aperture but not gain up"??? Also, the ND filter is currently set to off. When I set it to either ND1 or ND2 the picture quality is horrible.

I'm familiar with shooting in manual for exposure, but I'm not quite sure what you are getting at? Can you clarify what you meant?

Ray Echevers · August 11th, 2004, 09:43 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Brian Patterson : >>>If you want a shallow dof (blurry backgrounds) aim to use 'open' aperture (but not gain-up). Use the ND filter switch and raise the shutter speed to allow you to do this.

Maybe I'm over-thinking this one, but what do you mean, "aim to use open aperture but not gain up"??? Also, the ND filter is currently set to off. When I set it to either ND1 or ND2 the picture quality is horrible.

I'm familiar with shooting in manual for exposure, but I'm not quite sure what you are getting at? Can you clarify what you meant? -->>>

Do you know how to use manual manual settings? On either a photo camera or video camera?
If not, i suggest you look online or get a book, on how exposure works, once you figure that out, everything will make sense and be a whole lot easier.

Tom Hardwick · August 12th, 2004, 08:48 AM

Brian, if you want shallow depth of field, then make sure your camera is using maximum aperture. When this happens it'll say "open" in the v/finder when you're using manual exposure. To get the word "open" to appear, twiddle the exposure wheel ahead of the side-screen's hinge. As soon as "open" appears, stop turning the wheel - you don't want to go into gain-up mode.

OK, so now to bring the exposure correct you need to add ND filters preferably although you can also up the shutter speed to soak some of the light. When you say ''using the NDs makes my pictures look horrible'' it suggests that you're indoors or something, and gain-up is taking place.

You must use manual expoaure to limit you dorf.

tom.

August 10th, 2004, 12:55 AM	#1
Brian Patterson Regular Crew Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 51	Macro lens??? I would like to do macro photojournalistic videography with my VX2000. Is it possible to get a lens to screw on the front of the camera that will make certain objects clear while the background is blurry.....similar to the look of a lot of photography that is done these days???

August 10th, 2004, 06:24 AM	#2
Billy Dalrymple Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Cary, NC Posts: 50	You can adjust the depth of field using the iris in manual mode. __________________ -Billy

August 10th, 2004, 07:27 AM	#3
Robert J. Wolff Major Player Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Adirondacks of New York Posts: 210	Brian. Purchase a set of "+ 1/2, and a +1 diopter" that will fit your lens (72mm in the case of the Canon XL cameras). This will allow you to convert infinity to 2 metres and 1 metres respectively; and, you will still be able to use your zoom fully. In conjunction with an iris opening in the f5.6, f4.0, f2.8, this set up will give you extremly shallow depth of field. The +1 is fairly easy to find among filter manufactures. The +1/2 probably will have to be ordered from a film supplier. __________________ Himself

August 10th, 2004, 06:24 PM	#7
Robert J. Wolff Major Player Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Adirondacks of New York Posts: 210	Tom. I understand that Brian doesn't want to do macro. I would think that he is after the "drama" of the situation. As a for instantance: Many moons ago, doing a shoot for NightLine, (as it was known then), in a busy, busy, hospital corridore, subject in a corner, no room to move. I sliped a +1 on the cam, moved her (the subject) from the corner, and I took her place. Shot her with the hustle & bustle of the hospital moving around her, out of focus. Shooting it this way, with a diopter, I had a good field of the corridore, plus a decent chest up shot. Mr. K and company, sent me a note: "Good Stuff". And that I think is what Brian means by a blurry back ground. And thus, my recommendations. Brian. Am I on the right track for your thoughts? __________________ Himself

August 11th, 2004, 09:43 AM	#9
Ray Echevers Regular Crew Join Date: May 2004 Location: Somerville, MA Posts: 148	<<<-- Originally posted by Brian Patterson : >>>If you want a shallow dof (blurry backgrounds) aim to use 'open' aperture (but not gain-up). Use the ND filter switch and raise the shutter speed to allow you to do this. Maybe I'm over-thinking this one, but what do you mean, "aim to use open aperture but not gain up"??? Also, the ND filter is currently set to off. When I set it to either ND1 or ND2 the picture quality is horrible. I'm familiar with shooting in manual for exposure, but I'm not quite sure what you are getting at? Can you clarify what you meant? -->>> Do you know how to use manual manual settings? On either a photo camera or video camera? If not, i suggest you look online or get a book, on how exposure works, once you figure that out, everything will make sense and be a whole lot easier. __________________ Sony VX-1000 G5 1.8 dual 91 Turbo MR2

August 10th, 2004, 09:43 AM	#4
Tom Hardwick Inner Circle Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Billericay, England UK Posts: 4,711	I'm not sure if Brian's talking about close-up photography (in which case Robert's answer of using CU lenses is correct) or if he means 'normal' photography but with after getting very limited depth of field. If the latter then you could buy a 2x telephoto converter and use it at maximum aperture (''open'' displayed in the v/finder), use closest focus and have the background as far away as possible. This is pretty limiting though. If you shot a human face this way it'd fill the screen and you'd have no background visible anyway. tom.

August 10th, 2004, 11:50 AM	#5
Brian Patterson Regular Crew Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 51	>>>You can adjust the depth of field using the iris in manual mode. How do I do that? Is the Iris controlled by the same dial that you use to control manual exposure or is it in either the presets or custom pre-sets menus??? __________________

August 10th, 2004, 01:00 PM	#6
Tom Hardwick Inner Circle Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Billericay, England UK Posts: 4,711	To film in manual exposure. Chrome slider to the middle position. Push 'shutter speed'. Then push 'exposure' and the control wheel (ahead of the side-screen's hinge will open and close the aperture. If you want a shallow dof (blurry backgrounds) aim to use 'open' aperture (but not gain-up). Use the ND filter switch and raise the shutter speed to allow you to do this. tom.

August 11th, 2004, 01:41 AM	#8
Brian Patterson Regular Crew Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 51	>>>If you want a shallow dof (blurry backgrounds) aim to use 'open' aperture (but not gain-up). Use the ND filter switch and raise the shutter speed to allow you to do this. Maybe I'm over-thinking this one, but what do you mean, "aim to use open aperture but not gain up"??? Also, the ND filter is currently set to off. When I set it to either ND1 or ND2 the picture quality is horrible. I'm familiar with shooting in manual for exposure, but I'm not quite sure what you are getting at? Can you clarify what you meant?

August 12th, 2004, 08:48 AM	#10
Tom Hardwick Inner Circle Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Billericay, England UK Posts: 4,711	Brian, if you want shallow depth of field, then make sure your camera is using maximum aperture. When this happens it'll say "open" in the v/finder when you're using manual exposure. To get the word "open" to appear, twiddle the exposure wheel ahead of the side-screen's hinge. As soon as "open" appears, stop turning the wheel - you don't want to go into gain-up mode. OK, so now to bring the exposure correct you need to add ND filters preferably although you can also up the shutter speed to soak some of the light. When you say ''using the NDs makes my pictures look horrible'' it suggests that you're indoors or something, and gain-up is taking place. You must use manual expoaure to limit you dorf. tom.