VX2100 pricing

Mark Goodsell · October 12th, 2003, 07:58 PM

[I posted this similar on another thread, but I wanted to create dialog about this]

People keep saying the price of the VX2100 is going to be expensive when it comes out. We don't know yet, and maybe the price will be high initially, but its hard to imagine Sony will be able to keep the price high for long considering the price of the GL2, PDX10, DVC80 (which some could argue is a better cam) and JVC 300U. More than anything, the updates should give people a faint reason NOT to buy one of the aforementioned cams.

Say Sony raises the price to $2800 ($400 higher than now). That means one would be only a few hundred from buying a DVX100, $400 more than the DVC80, $850 more than the GL2 (with rebate), and about $150 from a PD150 (there will surely be plenty out there for a while). I don't see how they would sell ANY VX2100's. I don't know about you guys, but at that price I'd move up to a DVX100 or get the DVC80 (if I didn't want to spend as much), or find a current PD150 or VX2000. When I bought my cam, I had a really difficult time buying the VX2000 over the GL2, and, at that time, JVC and Panasonic didn't have their cams out, there wasn't a PDX10, and Canon wasn't offering a rebate on the GL2. I guarantee if I were buying a new cam today, I could find lots of reasons to buy any of the other cams. VX2100 doesn't offer enough features to justify a higher cost than the VX2000.

Mark G

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Paul Ogle · October 26th, 2003, 12:46 PM

Mark, do you know where I might find VX2100 specs?

Paul

Graham Bernard · October 26th, 2003, 01:28 PM

This any good . . .

http://www.abcdv.com/article/articleview/161/1/53/

Grazie

Jun Galinato · October 26th, 2003, 02:06 PM

By the time the VX2100 is available in the US, VX2000 will be discontinued like the VX1000 discontinued when VX2000 is out. You can maybe buy one, but that will be an old stock.

Paul Ogle · October 27th, 2003, 02:57 PM

Thanks Graham!

Brian Broz · October 30th, 2003, 03:19 AM

FYI
In Canada the price for the VX2100 is the same as the VX2000 (was). Confirmed pricing last week. We can't wait!

Dave Largent · October 30th, 2003, 10:26 AM

Where did you hear that news, Brian? Any mention of an included wide angle lens, as with the PD170? And when you say
same price, are you referring to manufacturers suggested retail
or actual street price?

Brian Broz · October 30th, 2003, 12:15 PM

No pricing changes here for the VX2100. no Mention yet on specifics...only the model number.

Brian

Bryan Beasleigh · October 30th, 2003, 02:02 PM

Brian works for a full service dealer in a suberb of Vancouver BC (Canada) Lorne Lapham Sales and Rentals. The store isn't big but it's packed with treasures. They have a large stock of lighting and accessory gear. (Sony, Panny,manfrotto, Lowel , Cavision, etc.) they're aimed at the prosummer/professional market. Nice people! Most or all of the employees are users and not just sales people.

Gerald Galloway · October 30th, 2003, 03:54 PM

so WHEN can someone buy an ntsc vx2100 or pd170 ? from canada OR the US ? Do you have an approximate date that your store or any others will actually have them in stock ?? is the vx2100 available prior to the pd170, the former being sold in Dec. and the latter sometime in the spring ?

Gerry

Basem Elsokary · November 4th, 2003, 12:01 PM

will the vx2100 have a manual gain and shutter controls like the pd150? as far as I know, they are combined for the vx2000 (or something like that), just wondering if they made the manual controls a bit more like the pd150, or if they will essentially be the same...

I would love to get a vx2100 as a second camera, but need to be able to manually control gain and shutter speed...

Lou Bruno · November 5th, 2003, 07:36 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Basem Elsokary : will the vx2100 have a manual gain and shutter controls like the pd150? as far as I know, they are combined for the vx2000 (or something like that), just wondering if they made the manual controls a bit more like the pd150, or if they will essentially be the same...

I would love to get a vx2100 as a second camera, but need to be able to manually control gain and shutter speed... -->>>

NO-same exposure like the VX2000. The PD170 will have more iris increments.

Boyd Ostroff · November 5th, 2003, 08:09 PM

The VX-2000 does have separate controls for shutter speed and iris, but there's a caveat. If you set the iris manually, then change the shutter speed, the camera resets the iris where it chooses, even in manual mode. The iris will then remain at this new setting until manually changed.

However if you choose your shutter speed FIRST, then you may set the iris wherever you like. As long as you leave the shutter speed alone you can take full manual control of the iris.

So you can't vary the shutter speed and keep the iris locked at a setting, but you can vary the iris and keep the shutter speed locked. From what I'm told this differs from the PD-150, but I only have a VX-2000 so I can't say for sure. FWIW, the PDX-10 behaves exactly like the VX-2000 in this regard.

Chris Mueller · November 10th, 2003, 07:18 PM

Does anyone know if the PD150 acts differently? (In response to Boyd)

Mike Rehmus · November 11th, 2003, 08:20 PM

Everything in the PD150 can be made to operate independently.

October 12th, 2003, 07:58 PM	#1
Mark Goodsell Major Player Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: WI Posts: 367	VX2100 pricing - my thoughts... [I posted this similar on another thread, but I wanted to create dialog about this] People keep saying the price of the VX2100 is going to be expensive when it comes out. We don't know yet, and maybe the price will be high initially, but its hard to imagine Sony will be able to keep the price high for long considering the price of the GL2, PDX10, DVC80 (which some could argue is a better cam) and JVC 300U. More than anything, the updates should give people a faint reason NOT to buy one of the aforementioned cams. Say Sony raises the price to $2800 ($400 higher than now). That means one would be only a few hundred from buying a DVX100, $400 more than the DVC80, $850 more than the GL2 (with rebate), and about $150 from a PD150 (there will surely be plenty out there for a while). I don't see how they would sell ANY VX2100's. I don't know about you guys, but at that price I'd move up to a DVX100 or get the DVC80 (if I didn't want to spend as much), or find a current PD150 or VX2000. When I bought my cam, I had a really difficult time buying the VX2000 over the GL2, and, at that time, JVC and Panasonic didn't have their cams out, there wasn't a PDX10, and Canon wasn't offering a rebate on the GL2. I guarantee if I were buying a new cam today, I could find lots of reasons to buy any of the other cams. VX2100 doesn't offer enough features to justify a higher cost than the VX2000. Mark G __________________ __________________ Mark Goodsell

October 26th, 2003, 02:06 PM	#4
Jun Galinato Major Player Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Auburn, Washington Posts: 231	By the time the VX2100 is available in the US, VX2000 will be discontinued like the VX1000 discontinued when VX2000 is out. You can maybe buy one, but that will be an old stock. __________________ Sony Z7U, Canon 5D Mark II, Canon 24-105 F4L, Canon 70-200 F2.8L, Canon 580 EXII, Zoom H2.

October 30th, 2003, 03:19 AM	#6
Brian Broz Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 61	VX2100 is the exact same price (...here) FYI In Canada the price for the VX2100 is the same as the VX2000 (was). Confirmed pricing last week. We can't wait!

November 5th, 2003, 07:36 PM	#12
Lou Bruno Go Cycle Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Huntington, NY Posts: 815	<<<-- Originally posted by Basem Elsokary : will the vx2100 have a manual gain and shutter controls like the pd150? as far as I know, they are combined for the vx2000 (or something like that), just wondering if they made the manual controls a bit more like the pd150, or if they will essentially be the same... I would love to get a vx2100 as a second camera, but need to be able to manually control gain and shutter speed... -->>> NO-same exposure like the VX2000. The PD170 will have more iris increments. __________________ Lou Bruno

November 11th, 2003, 08:20 PM	#15
Mike Rehmus Wrangler Join Date: May 2002 Location: Vallejo, California Posts: 4,049	Everything in the PD150 can be made to operate independently. __________________ Mike Rehmus Hey, I can see the carrot at the end of the tunnel!

October 26th, 2003, 12:46 PM	#2
Paul Ogle Tourist Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Conifer, Colorado Posts: 3	Mark, do you know where I might find VX2100 specs? Paul

October 26th, 2003, 01:28 PM	#3
Graham Bernard Old Boot Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: London UK Posts: 3,633	This any good . . . http://www.abcdv.com/article/articleview/161/1/53/ Grazie

October 27th, 2003, 02:57 PM	#5
Paul Ogle Tourist Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Conifer, Colorado Posts: 3	Thanks Graham!

October 30th, 2003, 10:26 AM	#7
Dave Largent Trustee Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,483	Where did you hear that news, Brian? Any mention of an included wide angle lens, as with the PD170? And when you say same price, are you referring to manufacturers suggested retail or actual street price?

October 30th, 2003, 12:15 PM	#8
Brian Broz Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 61	No pricing changes here for the VX2100. no Mention yet on specifics...only the model number. Brian

October 30th, 2003, 02:02 PM	#9
Bryan Beasleigh Trustee Join Date: May 2002 Location: Barrie, Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,922	Brian works for a full service dealer in a suberb of Vancouver BC (Canada) Lorne Lapham Sales and Rentals. The store isn't big but it's packed with treasures. They have a large stock of lighting and accessory gear. (Sony, Panny,manfrotto, Lowel , Cavision, etc.) they're aimed at the prosummer/professional market. Nice people! Most or all of the employees are users and not just sales people.

October 30th, 2003, 03:54 PM	#10
Gerald Galloway New Boot Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Chicago Posts: 13	so WHEN can someone buy an ntsc vx2100 or pd170 ? from canada OR the US ? Do you have an approximate date that your store or any others will actually have them in stock ?? is the vx2100 available prior to the pd170, the former being sold in Dec. and the latter sometime in the spring ? Gerry

November 4th, 2003, 12:01 PM	#11
Basem Elsokary Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 33	will the vx2100 have a manual gain and shutter controls like the pd150? as far as I know, they are combined for the vx2000 (or something like that), just wondering if they made the manual controls a bit more like the pd150, or if they will essentially be the same... I would love to get a vx2100 as a second camera, but need to be able to manually control gain and shutter speed...

November 5th, 2003, 08:09 PM	#13
Boyd Ostroff Wrangler Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mays Landing, NJ Posts: 11,802	The VX-2000 does have separate controls for shutter speed and iris, but there's a caveat. If you set the iris manually, then change the shutter speed, the camera resets the iris where it chooses, even in manual mode. The iris will then remain at this new setting until manually changed. However if you choose your shutter speed FIRST, then you may set the iris wherever you like. As long as you leave the shutter speed alone you can take full manual control of the iris. So you can't vary the shutter speed and keep the iris locked at a setting, but you can vary the iris and keep the shutter speed locked. From what I'm told this differs from the PD-150, but I only have a VX-2000 so I can't say for sure. FWIW, the PDX-10 behaves exactly like the VX-2000 in this regard.

November 10th, 2003, 07:18 PM	#14
Chris Mueller Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 49	Does anyone know if the PD150 acts differently? (In response to Boyd)