DV tapes in the VX2000 at DVinfo.net

Chris Obonsawin · September 5th, 2003, 01:45 AM

I was just reading the BBC manual on the VX2000 and it stated that the camera could record on DVCAM tapes. (http://www.bbctraining.co.uk/pdfs/dv...x2000guide.pdf)

Is this true? (I haven't been able to find any reference to such in the manual that came with the camera.)

Anybody out there tried that?

Frank Granovski · September 5th, 2003, 02:45 AM

You probably can. The "pro" version of the VX2000 can use either miniDVCAM or miniDV. On another note, I would trust the BBC on their VX2000 information. Ever hear of the BBC audio fix for the VX2000? Yup.

David Hurdon · September 5th, 2003, 07:02 AM

Like Frank I understand this to be true. What I'm not sure about is how the VX2000 treats a format that runs at a different speed from miniDV. I believe DVCAM runs at 40 minutes per tape but whether it does or not in the VX2000 I don't know. If not how would it play back in a DVCAM deck?

David Hurdon

Chris Obonsawin · September 5th, 2003, 08:09 AM

According to the BBC site the 40 minute DVCAM tape runs 60 minutes. So is the output better quality then miniDV? I might play around with this just to satisfy my curiousity.

Of course, with my eyesite I probably wouldn't be able to see the difference. :-)

Frank, what's this about the BBC audio fix?

John Steele · September 5th, 2003, 11:48 AM

There will be no difference in quality, all you're doing is recording DV on a DVCAM tape. It's not even like it'll be less prone to dropouts as you're still recording DV. The only differences will be that you'll pay 3 times as much for a Mini-DVCAM tape and you get a nicer case for it, thats it. There is no picture quality difference between DV and DVCAM anyway so it would be a bit of a wasted effort.

John.

Chris Obonsawin · September 5th, 2003, 02:29 PM

But that case!! :-)

Mike Rehmus · September 5th, 2003, 03:06 PM

Will cost you about $20 extra. :-))

Timothy Lab · September 6th, 2003, 09:04 PM

Just for the fun of it;

This April I read a "White Paper" from our friends at Sony. I was left with this impression. DVCAM tape has better retentivity and is the best choice for Archival Media. DVCAM tape is slit to more precision than consumer level tapes and should give less problems when run in varied equipment. DVCAM tape has a better coating on the tape and will withstand a more rigorous environment. DVCAM tape's drop-out rate is half of that of consumer tape.

Sony built a new production line and would like you to buy more tape!

While all the above is true, just the facts, if you will, there still is alot of controversy over the DVCAM vs. Mini DV choice. I think it's mostly pshycological. The Archival issue is my main concern. I can never use a tape twice. The idea of a more rigorous tape makes me ask, who is doing A/B edits with video tape? Of course people are (I just stopped this Spring), but most of us use some form of NLE. Drop outs have never been a problem for me, nor mechanical hang-ups because the tape was slit incorredtly. I assume we all know that DVCAM has a wider frame placement on the tape, than Mini DV. (They call it pitch, we see it as a faster speed)

I have and my colleauges have, many Hi-8 tapes that are ten years old (plus) and are full of drop-outs. So, what does my brain tell me? Buy the best! What is more practical? Buy what you can afford. For my VX-2000 I use the DVM60EX2 and for my DSR-250 I use the PDV-64N/124N. I could use better, but neither of these tapes have let me down.

Could I try something less? No! My brain won't let me. Have you made up your mind?

Information on Sony is availabe from Tape Resources:

www.taperesources.com FAQ on tape.

Tim Lab

Frank Granovski · September 6th, 2003, 09:57 PM

"I assume we all know that DVCAM has a wider frame placement on the tape, than Mini DV..." Yes, but a VX2000 doesn't have a DVCAM option. It's a miniDV cam. And I would think that the Digi8 and DVPRO formats are better than DV because of the faster running tape speed and wider track pitch.

Chris Obonsawin · September 6th, 2003, 10:01 PM

Thanks Tim.

I'm not intending to use my tapes more then once, because I know if I do the tape I record over will have the one scene I'd like to use again in another project. :-)

I'll try the tapes you suggest DVM60EX2.

There's so much to learn about this camera and this format, from sound to tape quality to how it differs from film in regards to light. I'm loving it.

Chris Obonsawin · September 6th, 2003, 10:03 PM

My experience with audio tapes tells me that faster is better and bigger (wider) is better but does that hold true for digital information?

Frank Granovski · September 6th, 2003, 10:07 PM

With DV tape, sure it does. That's why Pana's pro cams use DVCPRO and Sony's pro cams use DVCAM. Regarding that other question, the BBC came up with an audio solution, a fix, for the VX2000 some time back.

Chris Obonsawin · September 6th, 2003, 10:14 PM

Hmmm. Can't say I'm overly pleased with the audio I've gotten after the first few days. I've been actively searching out alternatives the last couple of hours.

Frank Granovski · September 6th, 2003, 10:20 PM

A good mic like a ME66 with a Beachtek XLR adaptor plus keeping the audio gain down is one solution. The BBC solution goes 1 step further.

Chris Obonsawin · September 6th, 2003, 10:23 PM

I'm guessing Commerical Electronics? Unless you can recommend a better place?

September 5th, 2003, 01:45 AM	#1
Chris Obonsawin Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 27	DV tapes in the VX2000 I was just reading the BBC manual on the VX2000 and it stated that the camera could record on DVCAM tapes. (http://www.bbctraining.co.uk/pdfs/dv...x2000guide.pdf) Is this true? (I haven't been able to find any reference to such in the manual that came with the camera.) Anybody out there tried that? __________________ Chris Obonsawin

September 5th, 2003, 07:02 AM	#3
David Hurdon Major Player Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 484	Like Frank I understand this to be true. What I'm not sure about is how the VX2000 treats a format that runs at a different speed from miniDV. I believe DVCAM runs at 40 minutes per tape but whether it does or not in the VX2000 I don't know. If not how would it play back in a DVCAM deck? David Hurdon __________________ Site:http://www.faceliftmarketing.ca Blog:http://www.websitevideo.blogspot.com

September 5th, 2003, 08:09 AM	#4
Chris Obonsawin Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 27	According to the BBC site the 40 minute DVCAM tape runs 60 minutes. So is the output better quality then miniDV? I might play around with this just to satisfy my curiousity. Of course, with my eyesite I probably wouldn't be able to see the difference. :-) Frank, what's this about the BBC audio fix? __________________ Chris Obonsawin

September 5th, 2003, 02:29 PM	#6
Chris Obonsawin Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 27	But that case!! :-) __________________ Chris Obonsawin

September 5th, 2003, 03:06 PM	#7
Mike Rehmus Wrangler Join Date: May 2002 Location: Vallejo, California Posts: 4,049	Will cost you about $20 extra. :-)) __________________ Mike Rehmus Hey, I can see the carrot at the end of the tunnel!

September 5th, 2003, 02:45 AM	#2
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	You probably can. The "pro" version of the VX2000 can use either miniDVCAM or miniDV. On another note, I would trust the BBC on their VX2000 information. Ever hear of the BBC audio fix for the VX2000? Yup.

September 5th, 2003, 11:48 AM	#5
John Steele Major Player Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Scotland, UK Posts: 216	There will be no difference in quality, all you're doing is recording DV on a DVCAM tape. It's not even like it'll be less prone to dropouts as you're still recording DV. The only differences will be that you'll pay 3 times as much for a Mini-DVCAM tape and you get a nicer case for it, thats it. There is no picture quality difference between DV and DVCAM anyway so it would be a bit of a wasted effort. John.

September 6th, 2003, 09:04 PM	#8
Timothy Lab New Boot Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Owosso, MI Posts: 13	Just for the fun of it; This April I read a "White Paper" from our friends at Sony. I was left with this impression. DVCAM tape has better retentivity and is the best choice for Archival Media. DVCAM tape is slit to more precision than consumer level tapes and should give less problems when run in varied equipment. DVCAM tape has a better coating on the tape and will withstand a more rigorous environment. DVCAM tape's drop-out rate is half of that of consumer tape. Sony built a new production line and would like you to buy more tape! While all the above is true, just the facts, if you will, there still is alot of controversy over the DVCAM vs. Mini DV choice. I think it's mostly pshycological. The Archival issue is my main concern. I can never use a tape twice. The idea of a more rigorous tape makes me ask, who is doing A/B edits with video tape? Of course people are (I just stopped this Spring), but most of us use some form of NLE. Drop outs have never been a problem for me, nor mechanical hang-ups because the tape was slit incorredtly. I assume we all know that DVCAM has a wider frame placement on the tape, than Mini DV. (They call it pitch, we see it as a faster speed) I have and my colleauges have, many Hi-8 tapes that are ten years old (plus) and are full of drop-outs. So, what does my brain tell me? Buy the best! What is more practical? Buy what you can afford. For my VX-2000 I use the DVM60EX2 and for my DSR-250 I use the PDV-64N/124N. I could use better, but neither of these tapes have let me down. Could I try something less? No! My brain won't let me. Have you made up your mind? Information on Sony is availabe from Tape Resources: www.taperesources.com FAQ on tape. Tim Lab

September 6th, 2003, 09:57 PM	#9
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	"I assume we all know that DVCAM has a wider frame placement on the tape, than Mini DV..." Yes, but a VX2000 doesn't have a DVCAM option. It's a miniDV cam. And I would think that the Digi8 and DVPRO formats are better than DV because of the faster running tape speed and wider track pitch.

September 6th, 2003, 10:01 PM	#10
Chris Obonsawin Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 27	Thanks Tim. I'm not intending to use my tapes more then once, because I know if I do the tape I record over will have the one scene I'd like to use again in another project. :-) I'll try the tapes you suggest DVM60EX2. There's so much to learn about this camera and this format, from sound to tape quality to how it differs from film in regards to light. I'm loving it. __________________ Chris Obonsawin

September 6th, 2003, 10:03 PM	#11
Chris Obonsawin Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 27	My experience with audio tapes tells me that faster is better and bigger (wider) is better but does that hold true for digital information? __________________ Chris Obonsawin

September 6th, 2003, 10:07 PM	#12
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	With DV tape, sure it does. That's why Pana's pro cams use DVCPRO and Sony's pro cams use DVCAM. Regarding that other question, the BBC came up with an audio solution, a fix, for the VX2000 some time back.

September 6th, 2003, 10:14 PM	#13
Chris Obonsawin Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 27	Hmmm. Can't say I'm overly pleased with the audio I've gotten after the first few days. I've been actively searching out alternatives the last couple of hours. __________________ Chris Obonsawin

September 6th, 2003, 10:20 PM	#14
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	A good mic like a ME66 with a Beachtek XLR adaptor plus keeping the audio gain down is one solution. The BBC solution goes 1 step further.

September 6th, 2003, 10:23 PM	#15
Chris Obonsawin Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 27	I'm guessing Commerical Electronics? Unless you can recommend a better place? __________________ Chris Obonsawin