AT835b on the VX-2000 at DVinfo.net

Timothy Lab · September 2nd, 2003, 02:56 PM

Any suggestions for obtaining a mount for the AT835b on the VX-2000? AT sells a hot shoe adapter with the 5/8 thread on top, for starters, but they were no help after that. The mic. will always be used in the field and will be covered with a Light Wave MiniScreen. (Connection to the camera is through a Beachtek DXA-4, at the moment) What say you?

Mike Rehmus · September 2nd, 2003, 05:06 PM

YOu can mount it in the std mount but it will be in the field of view at wide angles.

I replaced the std mount with a Sony CAC-12 mount which moves it up about 1.5 inches and adds a ball joint. Even with the Century .65 WA on, if I tilt the microphone up just a bit, it stays out of the field of view.

Otherwise you might check Trew Audio for a mount that will work.

Of course Light Wave Systems has a minimount that will work I think. But I haven't tried it.

Timothy Lab · September 2nd, 2003, 10:52 PM

Thanks Mike,

I'll look at the Sony Mount. Light Wave does make a mount that they say will work and they put it on a one or two inch extension, as an option, but it is almost the same cost as the mic! It has an offset, too. Trew Audio is new to me. Do they have an address? (Full Compass has been my regular supplier)

Original thought was this mic. would work on both my VX-2000 and my DSR-250. So, again, I'll look at the CAC-12, as an extension is what I was looking for.

Looking for all the right nuts and bolts drives me crazy.

Tim

Bryan Beasleigh · September 3rd, 2003, 09:13 AM

I found the 835b to be a tad quiet for the VX2000. nothing wrong with the mic, it just wasn't hot enough. By the time you get adequate gain you wind up with the "dreaded hiss".

Mike Rehmus · September 3rd, 2003, 01:42 PM

Interesting.

I've used the 835 on a lot of different cameras and never had that problem. I do insist on getting the microphone just out of the shot and not an inch further so I usually have plenty of sound energy to capture. Never had hiss problems with its use but I have not put it on a 2000 either. It does not exibit that problem on a PD150, DSR-300, EVW-300, a MD recorder, or when it is front-ended by a mixer into anything else.

The only thing I don't like about the 835B, and this is true of other shotguns, is that they don't sound as 'rich' as the studio microphones nor are they as tolerant of overload as a good Cardiod like the Shure 81C and others. Probably why I carry a suitcase of microphones around and covet even more.

Timothy Lab · September 3rd, 2003, 03:07 PM

The 835b is certainly recognized as a good ENG shotgun mic. and a good value. Like everyone else, if it does not do the job, I'll just get another one. We all collect mic.'s don't we? Anyway the 835b will be replacing the Sennheiser MKE-300 on the VX-2000 and the Sony ECN-NV1 on the DSR-250, for now. The Sennheiser ME66 was the next choice. I am getting the Glensound GSTN1(VX2000) for use with the 835b. This box incorporates a preamp which helps this mic. Also, it has a limiter, which I need, as I cannot ride the gain all the time and I am around extreme sound excursions. (Rarely the human voice for me) Also, backpacking the gear requires attention to what you take and two shotguns and a lapel, is it. Everyone likes to tell War stories, so here I go. From 1988 to 1995 I would cart around a large and heavy plywood box, (14x18x22) half covered with a metal screen and speaker cloth. Inside were two EV PL20's (Hung X-Y) and undereneath, a Sony TC-D5 ProII Cassette Recorder. I would lug this to location (A half mile away was not uncommon) and then return for the Arriflex and tripod. So much for rich sound. I can't and don't want to do that again. I have fell in love with DV and editing on Final Cut. I appreciate the insights everyone shares. It's a good way to learn. When I started in 16mm, there wasn't anyone to talk to. I didn't even know where to get negative stock! Today, we can solve these problems so quickly, in these forums.

Mike, you mentioned the Sony CAC-12 mount. This is shown in my manual as a bolt on device. (Two Screws) I was looking to use my hotshoe. Do you think the sound module off the the top of the PD-100A could be used with the VX-2000 and the phantom power coming through the hot shoe? I have the repair manual on my VX-2000 and could check out the schematic of the "Intelli-shoe".

The AT-835B will arrive Friday, so I will test it this weekend. (with the BeachTek)

OK for now, thanks again,

Tim

Mike Rehmus · September 3rd, 2003, 05:33 PM

I don't know what I was thinking. You posted about the 2000 and I was thinking PD150 which has a mounting point for the CAC-12.

Try this: http://www.trewaudio.com/catalog/items/item142.htm

This page has a lot of options: http://www.trewaudio.com/catalog/subcat119.htm

Ad for all you lav lovers, here's a page of hard to find bits and pieces: http://www.trewaudio.com/catalog/subcat122.htm

Here's a XLR to mini with the blocking cap installed.: http://www.trewaudio.com/catalog/items/item312.htm

and a stereo version:
http://www.trewaudio.com/catalog/items/item276.htm

Devin Doyle · September 3rd, 2003, 07:01 PM

Tim, I use an AT-835b on my GL1 and have been extremely pleased using it with a beachtek. No complaints there. I use a beyerdynamic EA86 shockmount that sits comfortabley in the hot-shoe of my GL1. It's a little cheap feeling (all plastic and quite small) but it has a metal thread on the bottom that you can use to mount it to a boom (like a i do sometimes). You can find it at zotz http://www.zotzdigital.com/?page=sho...d42a33e6980324 Here are some pics of my set up with the shock-mount on cam: http://www.par-t-com.net/cam_front.jpg and http://www.par-t-com.net/cam_profile.jpg

I know there are tons of shockmounts out there, but to be perfectly blunt, I'm not willing to drop that much money on a tube with rubber bands that holds my mic. The Beyerdynamic EA86 does the job with little handling noise, and at an affordable price. Hope this helps.

Timothy Lab · September 3rd, 2003, 07:32 PM

I'm busy looking over all the hardware, now, and I'm on the right track. Got a lot of ideas to mull over.

Thanks, everybody!

Tim

Mike Rehmus · September 3rd, 2003, 10:44 PM

Take a look at the new Audio catalog put out by B&H. A thick 3.5 inches of catalog. Many more mount goodies including a very interesting one by AT.

Bryan Beasleigh · September 7th, 2003, 01:23 AM

AT have an 8415 shockmount , you'll also need a camera adapter mount. So far as the 835, i'll repeat my warning, it's not hot enough without a preamp for the VX2K. I bought one and had to exchange it.

The links for the 8415 and the adapter are in the audio forum, up in Tools of DV. I just posted them.

Timothy Lab · September 7th, 2003, 06:32 AM

I bought the AT 835b, it arrived last week, for use on my DSR-250. It works much better than the Sony supplied mic. I am pleased with it. As for use on the VX-2000, I think I mentioned before that I was ordering a GlenSound front end box, which is the preamp. This keeps the on board sound levels low enough to keep away from the audible hiss problem. Of course the hiss problem will not go away without the BBC fix. I don't want to go that far at this time.

I have ordered an adapter (hotshoe to mic. pipe thread) and two holders. One is isolation by bands, the other is a clamp type with isolation rings. All are inexpensive and just for trial.

Please look at the sites mentioned in Devin Doyles comments, this thread, and Mike Rehmus's advice. B&H sent me their two volume set of audio catalogs. It is huge and contains nearly everything you could want, except the little stuff. It is limited in the hardware catagorey. Trew Audio, Zotz and MarkerTek have good selections of the hardware.

Thanks for everyones excellent comments. I was lost without some help.

Tim Lab

September 2nd, 2003, 02:56 PM	#1
Timothy Lab New Boot Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Owosso, MI Posts: 13	AT835b on the VX-2000 Any suggestions for obtaining a mount for the AT835b on the VX-2000? AT sells a hot shoe adapter with the 5/8 thread on top, for starters, but they were no help after that. The mic. will always be used in the field and will be covered with a Light Wave MiniScreen. (Connection to the camera is through a Beachtek DXA-4, at the moment) What say you?

September 2nd, 2003, 05:06 PM	#2
Mike Rehmus Wrangler Join Date: May 2002 Location: Vallejo, California Posts: 4,049	YOu can mount it in the std mount but it will be in the field of view at wide angles. I replaced the std mount with a Sony CAC-12 mount which moves it up about 1.5 inches and adds a ball joint. Even with the Century .65 WA on, if I tilt the microphone up just a bit, it stays out of the field of view. Otherwise you might check Trew Audio for a mount that will work. Of course Light Wave Systems has a minimount that will work I think. But I haven't tried it. __________________ Mike Rehmus Hey, I can see the carrot at the end of the tunnel!

September 3rd, 2003, 01:42 PM	#5
Mike Rehmus Wrangler Join Date: May 2002 Location: Vallejo, California Posts: 4,049	Interesting. I've used the 835 on a lot of different cameras and never had that problem. I do insist on getting the microphone just out of the shot and not an inch further so I usually have plenty of sound energy to capture. Never had hiss problems with its use but I have not put it on a 2000 either. It does not exibit that problem on a PD150, DSR-300, EVW-300, a MD recorder, or when it is front-ended by a mixer into anything else. The only thing I don't like about the 835B, and this is true of other shotguns, is that they don't sound as 'rich' as the studio microphones nor are they as tolerant of overload as a good Cardiod like the Shure 81C and others. Probably why I carry a suitcase of microphones around and covet even more. __________________ Mike Rehmus Hey, I can see the carrot at the end of the tunnel!

September 3rd, 2003, 05:33 PM	#7
Mike Rehmus Wrangler Join Date: May 2002 Location: Vallejo, California Posts: 4,049	I don't know what I was thinking. You posted about the 2000 and I was thinking PD150 which has a mounting point for the CAC-12. Try this: http://www.trewaudio.com/catalog/items/item142.htm This page has a lot of options: http://www.trewaudio.com/catalog/subcat119.htm Ad for all you lav lovers, here's a page of hard to find bits and pieces: http://www.trewaudio.com/catalog/subcat122.htm Here's a XLR to mini with the blocking cap installed.: http://www.trewaudio.com/catalog/items/item312.htm and a stereo version: http://www.trewaudio.com/catalog/items/item276.htm __________________ Mike Rehmus Hey, I can see the carrot at the end of the tunnel!

September 3rd, 2003, 07:01 PM	#8
Devin Doyle Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 188	Tim, I use an AT-835b on my GL1 and have been extremely pleased using it with a beachtek. No complaints there. I use a beyerdynamic EA86 shockmount that sits comfortabley in the hot-shoe of my GL1. It's a little cheap feeling (all plastic and quite small) but it has a metal thread on the bottom that you can use to mount it to a boom (like a i do sometimes). You can find it at zotz http://www.zotzdigital.com/?page=sho...d42a33e6980324 Here are some pics of my set up with the shock-mount on cam: http://www.par-t-com.net/cam_front.jpg and http://www.par-t-com.net/cam_profile.jpg I know there are tons of shockmounts out there, but to be perfectly blunt, I'm not willing to drop that much money on a tube with rubber bands that holds my mic. The Beyerdynamic EA86 does the job with little handling noise, and at an affordable price. Hope this helps. __________________ http://devin.par-t-com.net

September 2nd, 2003, 10:52 PM	#3
Timothy Lab New Boot Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Owosso, MI Posts: 13	Thanks Mike, I'll look at the Sony Mount. Light Wave does make a mount that they say will work and they put it on a one or two inch extension, as an option, but it is almost the same cost as the mic! It has an offset, too. Trew Audio is new to me. Do they have an address? (Full Compass has been my regular supplier) Original thought was this mic. would work on both my VX-2000 and my DSR-250. So, again, I'll look at the CAC-12, as an extension is what I was looking for. Looking for all the right nuts and bolts drives me crazy. Tim

September 3rd, 2003, 09:13 AM	#4
Bryan Beasleigh Trustee Join Date: May 2002 Location: Barrie, Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,922	I found the 835b to be a tad quiet for the VX2000. nothing wrong with the mic, it just wasn't hot enough. By the time you get adequate gain you wind up with the "dreaded hiss".

September 3rd, 2003, 03:07 PM	#6
Timothy Lab New Boot Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Owosso, MI Posts: 13	The 835b is certainly recognized as a good ENG shotgun mic. and a good value. Like everyone else, if it does not do the job, I'll just get another one. We all collect mic.'s don't we? Anyway the 835b will be replacing the Sennheiser MKE-300 on the VX-2000 and the Sony ECN-NV1 on the DSR-250, for now. The Sennheiser ME66 was the next choice. I am getting the Glensound GSTN1(VX2000) for use with the 835b. This box incorporates a preamp which helps this mic. Also, it has a limiter, which I need, as I cannot ride the gain all the time and I am around extreme sound excursions. (Rarely the human voice for me) Also, backpacking the gear requires attention to what you take and two shotguns and a lapel, is it. Everyone likes to tell War stories, so here I go. From 1988 to 1995 I would cart around a large and heavy plywood box, (14x18x22) half covered with a metal screen and speaker cloth. Inside were two EV PL20's (Hung X-Y) and undereneath, a Sony TC-D5 ProII Cassette Recorder. I would lug this to location (A half mile away was not uncommon) and then return for the Arriflex and tripod. So much for rich sound. I can't and don't want to do that again. I have fell in love with DV and editing on Final Cut. I appreciate the insights everyone shares. It's a good way to learn. When I started in 16mm, there wasn't anyone to talk to. I didn't even know where to get negative stock! Today, we can solve these problems so quickly, in these forums. Mike, you mentioned the Sony CAC-12 mount. This is shown in my manual as a bolt on device. (Two Screws) I was looking to use my hotshoe. Do you think the sound module off the the top of the PD-100A could be used with the VX-2000 and the phantom power coming through the hot shoe? I have the repair manual on my VX-2000 and could check out the schematic of the "Intelli-shoe". The AT-835B will arrive Friday, so I will test it this weekend. (with the BeachTek) OK for now, thanks again, Tim

September 3rd, 2003, 07:32 PM	#9
Timothy Lab New Boot Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Owosso, MI Posts: 13	I'm busy looking over all the hardware, now, and I'm on the right track. Got a lot of ideas to mull over. Thanks, everybody! Tim

September 3rd, 2003, 10:44 PM	#10
Mike Rehmus Wrangler Join Date: May 2002 Location: Vallejo, California Posts: 4,049	Take a look at the new Audio catalog put out by B&H. A thick 3.5 inches of catalog. Many more mount goodies including a very interesting one by AT. __________________ Mike Rehmus Hey, I can see the carrot at the end of the tunnel!

September 7th, 2003, 01:23 AM	#11
Bryan Beasleigh Trustee Join Date: May 2002 Location: Barrie, Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,922	AT have an 8415 shockmount , you'll also need a camera adapter mount. So far as the 835, i'll repeat my warning, it's not hot enough without a preamp for the VX2K. I bought one and had to exchange it. The links for the 8415 and the adapter are in the audio forum, up in Tools of DV. I just posted them.

September 7th, 2003, 06:32 AM	#12
Timothy Lab New Boot Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Owosso, MI Posts: 13	I bought the AT 835b, it arrived last week, for use on my DSR-250. It works much better than the Sony supplied mic. I am pleased with it. As for use on the VX-2000, I think I mentioned before that I was ordering a GlenSound front end box, which is the preamp. This keeps the on board sound levels low enough to keep away from the audible hiss problem. Of course the hiss problem will not go away without the BBC fix. I don't want to go that far at this time. I have ordered an adapter (hotshoe to mic. pipe thread) and two holders. One is isolation by bands, the other is a clamp type with isolation rings. All are inexpensive and just for trial. Please look at the sites mentioned in Devin Doyles comments, this thread, and Mike Rehmus's advice. B&H sent me their two volume set of audio catalogs. It is huge and contains nearly everything you could want, except the little stuff. It is limited in the hardware catagorey. Trew Audio, Zotz and MarkerTek have good selections of the hardware. Thanks for everyones excellent comments. I was lost without some help. Tim Lab