Using Sennheiser K6/ME66 W/vx2000 at DVinfo.net

Jamie Morris · July 30th, 2003, 08:41 PM

Hi everybody! I'm new here and could use some help:
1. I just got a K6/ME66 for my vx2000, with a Beachtek DXA-4 connection. The K6 module has a switch to turn on/off the roll-off bass filter. Which is on, which is off? The intructions are incomplete to say the least. There is a straight line vs a 45degree angle going up to a straight line(if this makes sense). Does this relate to the graph of dB versus Hz? Basically I need it on because I will film motorcycle gangs with extremely loud engines from a moving vehicle. Which leads to my next query:
2. I thought I would have gotten foam sock or cover with it - I didn't so any tips on basic wind-noise reduction etc?

Thanks guys/girls,
Any tips at all with this combo of equipment would really help,
Jamie

Matt Stahley · July 30th, 2003, 09:55 PM

The straight line equals "NO" or "OFF" bass roll off . As far as wind protection in your situation i would go for a fuzzy/zeppelin type over the standard foam. Rycote and Ligtwave seem to the standards. I myself have the same set up basically and I got the Ligtwave EQ windscreen. Though I havent had it hanging out a window at high speeds but ive had it outside in some moderate wind with good results.

Tom Pauncz · July 31st, 2003, 12:03 PM

I, too, have the exact same setup. Have had great results with the Lightwave miniscreen (MS106).
Tom

Jamie Morris · July 31st, 2003, 09:59 PM

cool, thanks guys, I'll look into it, but aren't those pricey?

Mike Rehmus · July 31st, 2003, 10:55 PM

Lightwave miniscreen is $155. You don't need a special mount. They slip on over the microphone and provide zepplin and fuzzy cover all in one integrated package. Great value.

Jamie Morris · August 1st, 2003, 12:50 AM

Unfortunately Im in Japan,so it's difficult to find the equipment I want. Seems ironic huh?
ONe can the vx2000 use DVcam quality tapes or is that only pd150?
Jamie

Mike Rehmus · August 1st, 2003, 07:43 AM

DVCam tapes are usually a waste of money.

Jamie Morris · August 1st, 2003, 08:32 AM

really? why is that? what are they exactly? i dont want to waste my cash!
Jamie

Mike Rehmus · August 1st, 2003, 10:18 AM

They offer you no real benefit unless you are editing with a linear system or place some other unusual demand upon your tapes.

There is no image quality difference between the formats, all things being equal.

DVCam was designed because the networks until very recently, all used linear editing systems which does stress the tape a lot more than the normal NLE systems.

Basically, all most of us would be doing is putting more $ in Sony's pockets.

I find the cheapest Sony DV tape run in DV mode works 100% of the time.

Glenn Chan · August 1st, 2003, 02:01 PM

The bass roll off makes low frequency noises less loud. handling noise and wind noise are mostly in the low frequencies, so rolling the bass off would help a little. The human voice has frequencies that are in the range so voices can sound wrong if you turn it on.

Also, as the microphone gets closer to the sound source the low frequencies are picked up more so the bass roll off compensates for that.

Turn the roll-off on/off to see what sounds right/better.

You can also equalize in post with a lot more control, but it's usually better if you can get it right when you are recording. With the bass roll off built into the microphone you get on-the-spot feedback.

Jamie Morris · August 3rd, 2003, 07:39 PM

Anybody have any ideas about optimizing the light while filming motorcycles running thru sem-lit streets? Im thinking that the AE set for neons, sunsets etc might be nice.
Also, is it possible to make the viewfinder B/W for better focusing?
Thanks,
Jamie

Mike Rehmus · August 3rd, 2003, 11:53 PM

I think you will have to set the exposure manually.

I think if you want a B&W viewfinder you'd better trade for a PD150. The issue isn't whether you can turn off the color but that color in a LCD requires 3 pixels per, well, pixel. The B&W viewfinder uses but one pixel per pixel which gives it the higher resolution

July 30th, 2003, 08:41 PM	#1
Jamie Morris New Boot Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Fuso Japan Posts: 14	Using Sennheiser K6/ME66 W/vx2000 Hi everybody! I'm new here and could use some help: 1. I just got a K6/ME66 for my vx2000, with a Beachtek DXA-4 connection. The K6 module has a switch to turn on/off the roll-off bass filter. Which is on, which is off? The intructions are incomplete to say the least. There is a straight line vs a 45degree angle going up to a straight line(if this makes sense). Does this relate to the graph of dB versus Hz? Basically I need it on because I will film motorcycle gangs with extremely loud engines from a moving vehicle. Which leads to my next query: 2. I thought I would have gotten foam sock or cover with it - I didn't so any tips on basic wind-noise reduction etc? Thanks guys/girls, Any tips at all with this combo of equipment would really help, Jamie

July 31st, 2003, 10:55 PM	#5
Mike Rehmus Wrangler Join Date: May 2002 Location: Vallejo, California Posts: 4,049	Lightwave miniscreen is $155. You don't need a special mount. They slip on over the microphone and provide zepplin and fuzzy cover all in one integrated package. Great value. __________________ Mike Rehmus Hey, I can see the carrot at the end of the tunnel!

August 1st, 2003, 07:43 AM	#7
Mike Rehmus Wrangler Join Date: May 2002 Location: Vallejo, California Posts: 4,049	DVCam tapes are usually a waste of money. __________________ Mike Rehmus Hey, I can see the carrot at the end of the tunnel!

August 1st, 2003, 10:18 AM	#9
Mike Rehmus Wrangler Join Date: May 2002 Location: Vallejo, California Posts: 4,049	They offer you no real benefit unless you are editing with a linear system or place some other unusual demand upon your tapes. There is no image quality difference between the formats, all things being equal. DVCam was designed because the networks until very recently, all used linear editing systems which does stress the tape a lot more than the normal NLE systems. Basically, all most of us would be doing is putting more $ in Sony's pockets. I find the cheapest Sony DV tape run in DV mode works 100% of the time. __________________ Mike Rehmus Hey, I can see the carrot at the end of the tunnel!

August 3rd, 2003, 11:53 PM	#12
Mike Rehmus Wrangler Join Date: May 2002 Location: Vallejo, California Posts: 4,049	I think you will have to set the exposure manually. I think if you want a B&W viewfinder you'd better trade for a PD150. The issue isn't whether you can turn off the color but that color in a LCD requires 3 pixels per, well, pixel. The B&W viewfinder uses but one pixel per pixel which gives it the higher resolution __________________ Mike Rehmus Hey, I can see the carrot at the end of the tunnel!

July 30th, 2003, 09:55 PM	#2
Matt Stahley Major Player Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Waynesboro, PA Posts: 648	The straight line equals "NO" or "OFF" bass roll off . As far as wind protection in your situation i would go for a fuzzy/zeppelin type over the standard foam. Rycote and Ligtwave seem to the standards. I myself have the same set up basically and I got the Ligtwave EQ windscreen. Though I havent had it hanging out a window at high speeds but ive had it outside in some moderate wind with good results.

July 31st, 2003, 12:03 PM	#3
Tom Pauncz New Boot Join Date: May 2003 Location: Toronto, Ontario Canada Posts: 6	I, too, have the exact same setup. Have had great results with the Lightwave miniscreen (MS106). Tom

July 31st, 2003, 09:59 PM	#4
Jamie Morris New Boot Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Fuso Japan Posts: 14	cool, thanks guys, I'll look into it, but aren't those pricey?

August 1st, 2003, 12:50 AM	#6
Jamie Morris New Boot Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Fuso Japan Posts: 14	Unfortunately Im in Japan,so it's difficult to find the equipment I want. Seems ironic huh? ONe can the vx2000 use DVcam quality tapes or is that only pd150? Jamie

August 1st, 2003, 08:32 AM	#8
Jamie Morris New Boot Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Fuso Japan Posts: 14	really? why is that? what are they exactly? i dont want to waste my cash! Jamie

August 1st, 2003, 02:01 PM	#10
Glenn Chan Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 4,750	The bass roll off makes low frequency noises less loud. handling noise and wind noise are mostly in the low frequencies, so rolling the bass off would help a little. The human voice has frequencies that are in the range so voices can sound wrong if you turn it on. Also, as the microphone gets closer to the sound source the low frequencies are picked up more so the bass roll off compensates for that. Turn the roll-off on/off to see what sounds right/better. You can also equalize in post with a lot more control, but it's usually better if you can get it right when you are recording. With the bass roll off built into the microphone you get on-the-spot feedback.

August 3rd, 2003, 07:39 PM	#11
Jamie Morris New Boot Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Fuso Japan Posts: 14	Anybody have any ideas about optimizing the light while filming motorcycles running thru sem-lit streets? Im thinking that the AE set for neons, sunsets etc might be nice. Also, is it possible to make the viewfinder B/W for better focusing? Thanks, Jamie