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Dennis Hull · June 13th, 2003, 09:43 PM

Experimenting/learning with VX2000 I have been trying various lighting situations. Foggy morning today with sun scatter and old homes vaguely showing through fog--nice mood shot at least to the human eye. However, I could not capture the look on video I guess due to sunlight scatter from water particles in fog--fog totally masked homes in video. No filter on camera other than UV protective lense and of course the built in ND filters which did not help. Is there a filter type that would allow one to "dial in" the amount of "see through" fog look one would want--in the shot I just described it would be nice to dial in how much the old homes showed through fog to create various moods. The dial in part would be like what I have read about polarizing filters that you turn to screen out reflections--just using that as an example, not saying the polarizing filter would be the one to use.

Mike Rehmus · June 13th, 2003, 10:21 PM

What I find in that type of lighting is that I have to run the brightness down on the camera to get the shot. But I haven't specifically shot in fog in that situation so I could be wrong for that application.

You can't use color filters like you can with B&W film (assuming you wanted color results).

I'd guess the omni-scatter from the fog would negate a polarizer. I don't recall a polarizer helping on my last vacation.

Dennis Hull · June 15th, 2003, 07:01 PM

Thanks, Mike. I did do quite a bit of adjustment with exposure to keep fog from washing out, just could not get scenes in the fog to show through--like I could see with naked eye.

Mike Rehmus · June 15th, 2003, 09:36 PM

Know what you mean. I just returned from an Alaskan cruise and to get anywhere near what I was seeing, I had to go quite dark. Still pretty but not all the gradations and lightness.

If you have a load of filters for B&W you could try shooting through them but I think the response of the CCD is at the other end of the spectrum from film. CCDs like IR, film likes UV (in terms of sensitivity. Still, if you then converted to monochrome, it might work out.

Dennis Hull · June 16th, 2003, 04:26 PM

Put that way, Mike, I finally connected why human eye responds differently to light spectra compared to CCD and film response. Thank you.

June 13th, 2003, 09:43 PM	#1
Dennis Hull Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: St. Paul, MN USA Posts: 151	Foggy Idea Experimenting/learning with VX2000 I have been trying various lighting situations. Foggy morning today with sun scatter and old homes vaguely showing through fog--nice mood shot at least to the human eye. However, I could not capture the look on video I guess due to sunlight scatter from water particles in fog--fog totally masked homes in video. No filter on camera other than UV protective lense and of course the built in ND filters which did not help. Is there a filter type that would allow one to "dial in" the amount of "see through" fog look one would want--in the shot I just described it would be nice to dial in how much the old homes showed through fog to create various moods. The dial in part would be like what I have read about polarizing filters that you turn to screen out reflections--just using that as an example, not saying the polarizing filter would be the one to use.

June 13th, 2003, 10:21 PM	#2
Mike Rehmus Wrangler Join Date: May 2002 Location: Vallejo, California Posts: 4,049	What I find in that type of lighting is that I have to run the brightness down on the camera to get the shot. But I haven't specifically shot in fog in that situation so I could be wrong for that application. You can't use color filters like you can with B&W film (assuming you wanted color results). I'd guess the omni-scatter from the fog would negate a polarizer. I don't recall a polarizer helping on my last vacation. __________________ Mike Rehmus Hey, I can see the carrot at the end of the tunnel!

June 15th, 2003, 07:01 PM	#3
Dennis Hull Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: St. Paul, MN USA Posts: 151	Fog Thanks, Mike. I did do quite a bit of adjustment with exposure to keep fog from washing out, just could not get scenes in the fog to show through--like I could see with naked eye.

June 15th, 2003, 09:36 PM	#4
Mike Rehmus Wrangler Join Date: May 2002 Location: Vallejo, California Posts: 4,049	Know what you mean. I just returned from an Alaskan cruise and to get anywhere near what I was seeing, I had to go quite dark. Still pretty but not all the gradations and lightness. If you have a load of filters for B&W you could try shooting through them but I think the response of the CCD is at the other end of the spectrum from film. CCDs like IR, film likes UV (in terms of sensitivity. Still, if you then converted to monochrome, it might work out. __________________ Mike Rehmus Hey, I can see the carrot at the end of the tunnel!

June 16th, 2003, 04:26 PM	#5
Dennis Hull Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: St. Paul, MN USA Posts: 151	Eye am Visible Light Put that way, Mike, I finally connected why human eye responds differently to light spectra compared to CCD and film response. Thank you.