Sony RX10 point-and-shoot camera

Dylan Tobias · November 19th, 2013, 02:40 PM

I have only ever been impressed by this camera on paper, not one of the multiple videos I have ever seen from this camera has ever impressed me whatsoever in any way.

Noa Put · November 19th, 2013, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Simon Denny

And here is one more RX10 I found on YouTube

Colour and sharpness looks great, but I see that on the faces especially burned out highlights when it gets hit by a spotlight, I think the way the camera deals with the highlights is it's Achilles heel.

Simon Denny · November 19th, 2013, 04:20 PM

I totally agree with highlight handling, all the clips that I have seen show blown out hot spots. Fun camera I reckon with ability to take stills.

Darren Levine · November 19th, 2013, 07:40 PM

i'll hold my judgement till i get it and put it in neutral with contrast dialed down

Dave Blackhurst · November 19th, 2013, 08:07 PM

Based on my experience with the RX100, there should be lots of adjustability, meaning lots of opportunity to also "get it wrong" with this camera. Took me a while to get a handle on the RX100... now I don't hesitate to shoot video with the RX100M2...

I'd suggest start with the EV shift to the negative side (overexposing being well documented to be a Sony tendency), and also fiddle with the DRO setting...

Darren Levine · November 19th, 2013, 09:14 PM

do you have any rx100 samples you can post that handle highlights well?

Peer Landa · November 19th, 2013, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Blackhurst

Based on my experience with the RX100, there should be lots of adjustability, meaning lots of opportunity to also "get it wrong" with this camera. Took me a while to get a handle on the RX100...

That's the same for me -- since I'm not using my RX100 very often, I always get a bit bewildered when I finally power it up. My little Leica, on the other hand, is more of an idiot-proof point & shoot'er.

-- peer

Roy Feldman · November 20th, 2013, 05:25 AM

I am considering getting this camera so here is my question: it has no native 1080/30p which is a format I must use, out of the options it does have which should I use to latter conform it to 1080/30p?

Noa Put · November 20th, 2013, 05:28 AM

Can't you just add a 60p file in a 30p project? I do this all the time in edius (mixing 50p and 25p)

Roy Feldman · November 20th, 2013, 07:23 AM

I'm sure I could, I'm just asking this august group what they think is the best way to do this

Ian Whelan · November 21st, 2013, 04:07 PM

Just got the RX10 - anyone else got it yet? Going to be a few days before I try it out tho...

Noa Put · November 21st, 2013, 07:13 PM

You are one of the first it seems and you dear to let everyone wait for some decent footage? Shame on you. :)
I must admit I had an eye on the rx10 as well and almost pre-ordered untill I saw that random "blown highlights" footage that has been posted so far on youtube, so instead I blew my budget on a 25mm f1.4 leica and a 7,5mm fisheye for my gh3 last week, I still need a longer zoom though as I only got a 12-35mm and it's either gonna be a 35-100mm or the rx10 but then I sure need to see some awesome footage from the rx10 to convince me not to get the 35-100mm instead, so far I"m only partially impressed and waiting for people like you to prove me wrong and then to find out you don't have time, pff. (just kidding :)

Dave Blackhurst · November 22nd, 2013, 01:05 AM

Noa -
You're already familiar with Sony cameras, so you are probably used to the overexposure tendency - there is also a DRO setting with 5 levels that should be able to flatten things out a bit too...

I've been looking through my RX100M2 clips (mostly casual family stuff), I am not seeing any real "blown highlights", but I haven't seen anything where a little manual tweaking couldn't take the exposure down if/when/as needed. I need to figure out which drive I stuck the footage we shot at night time cart racing on - the RX100M2 was struggling (a place the f/2.8 would have been a big help!), but it looked pretty good on first review...

The RX10 with ND filters and the aperture adjustment presents another set of "tweaks" available while shooting. I already mentioned I found the 100 to be a bit to learn - one might almost say "too many" adjustments - probably not something the "average" user will be prepared for, to be honest.

I hope to pick one of these up once a few people buy them and find them to be "too much camera" - you'd be surprised how many people think "point & shoot" and then find out that to get the most out of the camera they should learn a little more about how cameras work... wish I had hands on one to play with a bit, but holiday budgets and all that!

Simon Denny · November 22nd, 2013, 02:09 AM

Hey Ian, when you have had a good test run with the camera please share some footage and your thoughts.

Peer Landa · November 22nd, 2013, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Darren Levine

do you have any rx100 samples you can post that handle highlights well?

I shot this silly & spontaneous DOF'y cat video with my RX100 in bright sunny daylight:

-- peer

November 19th, 2013, 02:40 PM	#46
Dylan Tobias Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Toronto Canada Posts: 71	Re: Sony RX10 point-and-shoot camera I have only ever been impressed by this camera on paper, not one of the multiple videos I have ever seen from this camera has ever impressed me whatsoever in any way.

November 19th, 2013, 04:20 PM	#48
Simon Denny Trustee Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 1,409	Re: Sony RX10 point-and-shoot camera I totally agree with highlight handling, all the clips that I have seen show blown out hot spots. Fun camera I reckon with ability to take stills.

November 19th, 2013, 07:40 PM	#49
Darren Levine Major Player Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: NJ/NYC Posts: 563	Re: Sony RX10 point-and-shoot camera i'll hold my judgement till i get it and put it in neutral with contrast dialed down __________________ C100 - GH4 - NYC Shooter www.DarrenLevine.com

November 19th, 2013, 08:07 PM	#50
Dave Blackhurst Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Apple Valley CA Posts: 4,874	Re: Sony RX10 point-and-shoot camera Based on my experience with the RX100, there should be lots of adjustability, meaning lots of opportunity to also "get it wrong" with this camera. Took me a while to get a handle on the RX100... now I don't hesitate to shoot video with the RX100M2... I'd suggest start with the EV shift to the negative side (overexposing being well documented to be a Sony tendency), and also fiddle with the DRO setting...

November 19th, 2013, 09:14 PM	#51
Darren Levine Major Player Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: NJ/NYC Posts: 563	Re: Sony RX10 point-and-shoot camera do you have any rx100 samples you can post that handle highlights well? __________________ C100 - GH4 - NYC Shooter www.DarrenLevine.com

November 20th, 2013, 05:25 AM	#53
Roy Feldman Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Grosse pointe, michigan Posts: 189	Re: Sony RX10 point-and-shoot camera I am considering getting this camera so here is my question: it has no native 1080/30p which is a format I must use, out of the options it does have which should I use to latter conform it to 1080/30p?

November 20th, 2013, 05:28 AM	#54
Noa Put Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Posts: 9,510	Re: Sony RX10 point-and-shoot camera Can't you just add a 60p file in a 30p project? I do this all the time in edius (mixing 50p and 25p)

November 20th, 2013, 07:23 AM	#55
Roy Feldman Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Grosse pointe, michigan Posts: 189	Re: Sony RX10 point-and-shoot camera I'm sure I could, I'm just asking this august group what they think is the best way to do this

November 21st, 2013, 04:07 PM	#56
Ian Whelan Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Wick Posts: 72	Re: Sony RX10 point-and-shoot camera Just got the RX10 - anyone else got it yet? Going to be a few days before I try it out tho...

November 21st, 2013, 07:13 PM	#57
Noa Put Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Posts: 9,510	Re: Sony RX10 point-and-shoot camera You are one of the first it seems and you dear to let everyone wait for some decent footage? Shame on you. :) I must admit I had an eye on the rx10 as well and almost pre-ordered untill I saw that random "blown highlights" footage that has been posted so far on youtube, so instead I blew my budget on a 25mm f1.4 leica and a 7,5mm fisheye for my gh3 last week, I still need a longer zoom though as I only got a 12-35mm and it's either gonna be a 35-100mm or the rx10 but then I sure need to see some awesome footage from the rx10 to convince me not to get the 35-100mm instead, so far I"m only partially impressed and waiting for people like you to prove me wrong and then to find out you don't have time, pff. (just kidding :)

November 22nd, 2013, 01:05 AM	#58
Dave Blackhurst Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Apple Valley CA Posts: 4,874	Re: Sony RX10 point-and-shoot camera Noa - You're already familiar with Sony cameras, so you are probably used to the overexposure tendency - there is also a DRO setting with 5 levels that should be able to flatten things out a bit too... I've been looking through my RX100M2 clips (mostly casual family stuff), I am not seeing any real "blown highlights", but I haven't seen anything where a little manual tweaking couldn't take the exposure down if/when/as needed. I need to figure out which drive I stuck the footage we shot at night time cart racing on - the RX100M2 was struggling (a place the f/2.8 would have been a big help!), but it looked pretty good on first review... The RX10 with ND filters and the aperture adjustment presents another set of "tweaks" available while shooting. I already mentioned I found the 100 to be a bit to learn - one might almost say "too many" adjustments - probably not something the "average" user will be prepared for, to be honest. I hope to pick one of these up once a few people buy them and find them to be "too much camera" - you'd be surprised how many people think "point & shoot" and then find out that to get the most out of the camera they should learn a little more about how cameras work... wish I had hands on one to play with a bit, but holiday budgets and all that!

November 22nd, 2013, 02:09 AM	#59
Simon Denny Trustee Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 1,409	Re: Sony RX10 point-and-shoot camera Hey Ian, when you have had a good test run with the camera please share some footage and your thoughts.