Sony NEX-FS700 - It's real

Steve Kalle · April 3rd, 2012, 12:29 PM

Hmmmm.... It is odd that Abel Cine sent out an email stating 12bit Raw from the 3G-SDI for an upcoming recorder. Maybe the increase in bits comes from the 4k upgrade that people will need to purchase kind of like the S-Log upgrade which enhances the quality of the camera.

Brett Sherman · April 3rd, 2012, 12:59 PM

I don't know whether to be excited about this camera or filled with dread about all the unnecessary slow-mo shots we'll be subjected to once it is released.

Garrett Low · April 3rd, 2012, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Kalle

Hmmmm.... It is odd that Abel Cine sent out an email stating 12bit Raw from the 3G-SDI for an upcoming recorder. Maybe the increase in bits comes from the 4k upgrade that people will need to purchase kind of like the S-Log upgrade which enhances the quality of the camera.

The 12 Bit Raw may be enabled with the "future firmware upgrade". All I know is that my beloved EX3 may be headed for a replacement in June.

-Garrett

Chris Medico · April 3rd, 2012, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Kalle

Hmmmm.... It is odd that Abel Cine sent out an email stating 12bit Raw from the 3G-SDI for an upcoming recorder. Maybe the increase in bits comes from the 4k upgrade that people will need to purchase kind of like the S-Log upgrade which enhances the quality of the camera.

Thats right. At 1080p in video mode it will be 8bit but when the RAW mode is enabled in the future it will be 12bit.

What will be interesting is if there will be a 2k RAW mode available at 12bit depth.

Don Parrish · April 3rd, 2012, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Garrett Low

The 12 Bit Raw may be enabled with the "future firmware upgrade". All I know is that my beloved EX3 may be headed for a replacement in June.

-Garrett

DON's rest home for tired EX3's. Treat your beloved camera to a much deserved rest home in sunny Central Florida !!

Matt Davis · April 3rd, 2012, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Nate Weaver

the 4 CG curves are pulled from the F3, and as an F3 owner, I can tell you CG is no substitute for real benefits of S-Log

Okay, still smarting from having ripped the NDA Gaffer Tape from my gob, but there's lots of funny info whizzing around. Hey, I'm just an ICE. :-)

FS100 highlight handling was 'not as bad' as the AF101, but was sure as heck not as good as EX1 with CineGamma ... AND the Canons. It REALLY needed fixing. Now it is with the FS700. Hooray. Really. CineGamma highlight handling is absolutely so crucial in my line of work I have to sell my FS100 for it.

It's as if the F3 'basic' config was stripped of a few functions and made into an F3 Junior - aka FS700 - and the F3 Proper inherits all the good stuff that makes it work in the F65/F35/Alexa world.

Still sad we don't see some really important things for the FS100/700 - shot duration, names for PPs, and so on, but really glad we get Touch Focus, NDs and CineGamma 4 (huggable highlights rather than mopping up after a WFM knife fight).

My videos that touch on this subject are up here:

http://www.sony.co.uk/biz/content/id...camavchdguides

or you may get more info here:

http://vimeo.com/mattdavis/review/30254292/bc4573bd89

Murray Christian · April 3rd, 2012, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Brett Sherman

I don't know whether to be excited about this camera or filled with dread about all the unnecessary slow-mo shots we'll be subjected to once it is released.

There is surely no such thing! Slow motion is the new shallow focus.

(the codec catches up eventually. I'm going to get done for off topic spam. It's a funny show though. Filled with gags only production types would get)

Mark Kenfield · April 4th, 2012, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Murray Christian

There is surely no such thing! Slow motion is the new shallow focus.

But just imagine, with the FS700 we can have shallow focus IN slow motion!

...I can feel my cerebral cortex starting to bleed already.

Glen Vandermolen · April 4th, 2012, 04:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Mark Kenfield

But just imagine, with the FS700 we can have shallow focus IN slow motion!

And in 4K!

Glen Vandermolen · April 4th, 2012, 06:11 AM

Love the top view. It shows the zoom control.

Emmanuel Plakiotis · April 4th, 2012, 06:20 AM

Compared to FS100 for over double the price you get:
A new sensor
ND
better handle
burst of extreme slow motion
cinegamma
The option to pay even more and have 4K RAW output.
Apart from the sensor which we don't know how much better is, the upgrade is quite expensive. But everyone thinks is a very good deal because C300 is so much more expensive while lagging in the feature department. I guess Sony is reading the forums and priced the new camera at the price point most of us thought as reasonable for C300.

I wonder, if the consensus for the C300, was around $6-7K, would the new camera had an even lower entry price? :-)

R Geoff Baker · April 4th, 2012, 06:39 AM

The zoom controls hint at the most important thing, IMHO -- more lenses on the way. Because so far, there just aren't enough 'full capability' lenses to justify this system. Sure it's nice to use legacy glass, and for some work that's just fine ... But the actual range of lenses that offer stabilization, for instance, or silent autofocus, or even smooth aperture stepping is just too small.

I for one -- and your mileage may vary -- have almost never zoomed while shooting. So a zoom control is not paramount -- but the presence suggests that Sony will either push out more lenses and try to catch Canon and even Nikon in terms of system depth, or it won't be much of a 'system' at all.

I'm hoping for a long list of new lenses ...

Cheers,
GB

Bill Bruner · April 4th, 2012, 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Glen Vandermolen

..Love the top view...

I agree, Glen - this is the camera's 'good side' ;-)

So refreshing - a large sensor interchangeable lens camcorder with a real power zoom rocker (instead of the Panny PZs' little zoom control on the lens).

Look forward to seeing some test video (and stills) from this camera.

Cheers,

Bill

Jerry Porter · April 4th, 2012, 07:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Garrett Low

The 12 Bit Raw may be enabled with the "future firmware upgrade". All I know is that my beloved EX3 may be headed for a replacement in June.

-Garrett

Looking lovingly at my EX3 right now, but if this camera is what it appears to be, there will be anther EX3 ready for "Don's EX3 Rest Home"

Frank Glencairn · April 4th, 2012, 04:35 PM

Official SONY FS700 launch film coming tomorrow.

April 3rd, 2012, 12:29 PM	#31
Steve Kalle Trustee Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 1,554	Re: Sony NEX-FS700 - It's real Hmmmm.... It is odd that Abel Cine sent out an email stating 12bit Raw from the 3G-SDI for an upcoming recorder. Maybe the increase in bits comes from the 4k upgrade that people will need to purchase kind of like the S-Log upgrade which enhances the quality of the camera.

April 3rd, 2012, 12:59 PM	#32
Brett Sherman Major Player Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mount Rainier, MD Posts: 428	Re: Sony NEX-FS700 - It's real I don't know whether to be excited about this camera or filled with dread about all the unnecessary slow-mo shots we'll be subjected to once it is released.

April 4th, 2012, 06:11 AM	#40
Glen Vandermolen Space Hipster Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 1,596	Re: Sony NEX-FS700 - It's real Love the top view. It shows the zoom control. Attached Thumbnails

April 4th, 2012, 06:20 AM	#41
Emmanuel Plakiotis Major Player Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Athens, Greece Posts: 344	Re: Sony NEX-FS700 - It's real Compared to FS100 for over double the price you get: A new sensor ND better handle burst of extreme slow motion cinegamma The option to pay even more and have 4K RAW output. Apart from the sensor which we don't know how much better is, the upgrade is quite expensive. But everyone thinks is a very good deal because C300 is so much more expensive while lagging in the feature department. I guess Sony is reading the forums and priced the new camera at the price point most of us thought as reasonable for C300. I wonder, if the consensus for the C300, was around $6-7K, would the new camera had an even lower entry price? :-)

April 4th, 2012, 06:39 AM	#42
R Geoff Baker Major Player Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Ottawa, ON Posts: 471	Re: Sony NEX-FS700 - It's real The zoom controls hint at the most important thing, IMHO -- more lenses on the way. Because so far, there just aren't enough 'full capability' lenses to justify this system. Sure it's nice to use legacy glass, and for some work that's just fine ... But the actual range of lenses that offer stabilization, for instance, or silent autofocus, or even smooth aperture stepping is just too small. I for one -- and your mileage may vary -- have almost never zoomed while shooting. So a zoom control is not paramount -- but the presence suggests that Sony will either push out more lenses and try to catch Canon and even Nikon in terms of system depth, or it won't be much of a 'system' at all. I'm hoping for a long list of new lenses ... Cheers, GB

April 4th, 2012, 04:35 PM	#45
Frank Glencairn Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Germany Posts: 176	Re: Sony NEX-FS700 - It's real Official SONY FS700 launch film coming tomorrow.