what dslr video would match best with the fs100?

Matt Davis · December 5th, 2011, 05:03 PM

It feels like Déjà vu... IMHO and experience, you can twist an FS100 to look like a 5D 'on a good day' but you can't go the other way. Here's a test I did a while back:

If I did the test again, I'd dial out the detail to -7 and add sharpening in post 'like wot u should do' - notice how the bokeh in the FS100 shots are sharpened. I can't believe I let that slide!

So, I shoot with a colleague who is absolutely devoted to 5D using Philip Bloom's settings (not Technicolor). I can supply rushes that will match his 5D but without the moire and aliasing. But it does, at times, remind me of the old adage that 'the best SD is HD downsampled right'.

Dylan Couper · December 5th, 2011, 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jean-Philippe Archibald

as a B camera? B as backup or occasional second angle? Nex 5 is perfect. Take no place in the (same) case or bag, cost almost nothing. And why rig it?

Ah, I think we have different definitions of B camera. Yes as a spare camera in your bag for an emergency backup, it's hard to beat the tiny size.

Jean-Philippe Archibald · December 6th, 2011, 09:16 AM

I presumed that for the OP, since he was looking for a less expensive camera, B camera means occasionnal use.

But I can be wrong. If he is going to use it a lot in a two cameras environement, than the "perfect B camera" is a second FS100. That's what I do personnaly, but my cameras aren't labeled A and B...

Rob Katz · December 7th, 2011, 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt Daviss

It feels like Déjà vu... IMHO and experience, you can twist an FS100 to look like a 5D 'on a good day' but you can't go the other way. Here's a test I did a while back:

Samyang 35mm f1.4 compared with EX1 and Canon 50mm on Vimeo

If I did the test again, I'd dial out the detail to -7 and add sharpening in post 'like wot u should do' - notice how the bokeh in the FS100 shots are sharpened. I can't believe I let that slide!

So, I shoot with a colleague who is absolutely devoted to 5D using Philip Bloom's settings (not Technicolor). I can supply rushes that will match his 5D but without the moire and aliasing. But it does, at times, remind me of the old adage that 'the best SD is HD downsampled right'.

matt-

thanks for the sample footage.

samyang looks sweet.

if i make ask,

how far away was the camera from the subject?

how far away was the subject from the bookcase?

thanks in advance for any info you care to provide.

be well

rob
smalltalk productions

Richard Crook · December 10th, 2011, 01:21 PM

I recently purchased and used a Sony 5n on a recent corporate shoot. The image matches almost perfectly to the FS100. Much more than a Canon DSLR ( I couldn't for the life of me get the image of my 5d to come close without extensive color grading).

A few caveats: the 5n noise pattern is much more blocky and is more apparent in shadows than the FS. The 5n cannot be used with external mics (which is fine for me, I just use the on board mic recording for sync reference). The dynamic range is less. With these caveats, I wouldn't use the 5n mixed with an FS unless final delivery of the video is DVD or Web hd. For me that is corporate videos. I think the two cameras are distinguishable otherwise... like if viewed on blue ray, hd broadcast, or a motion picture projection.

It was great using the cam clamps to ceilings, suction cupped to windows, and stuck in hard to reach areas (one shot was from within a refrigerator, haha). I also like the ability to 'touch' the screen to areas I want to focus on. Helps with speed. So for me the use of a tiny bcam for speed and for mounting options makes it worth it...and the 5n looks so close to the FS.

Don't forget, it's only $650 and comes with a decent lens! :)

Bruce S. Yarock · December 11th, 2011, 12:47 AM

I had two Canon 7d's (along with my Canon HDV tape cam) before I bought the FS100. I kept one of the 7d's and also bought the Sony NX5U as a companion camera. The NX5 cuts perfectly with the FS100,, and has video features missing from the FS100 (zoom, nd filter, etc.).
We've done some multicam shoots with the FS100, NX5 and 2 7D's. No color correcting needed with the Sonys, but the 7D has much more red and needs to be corrected, even when shooting in neutral. But it's not a huge amount of work to get the 7d closer to the Sonys.
Bruce Yrock

December 5th, 2011, 05:03 PM	#16
Matt Davis Trustee Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Berkshire, UK Posts: 1,562	Re: what dslr video would match best with the fs100? It feels like Déjà vu... IMHO and experience, you can twist an FS100 to look like a 5D 'on a good day' but you can't go the other way. Here's a test I did a while back: Samyang 35mm f1.4 compared with EX1 and Canon 50mm on Vimeo If I did the test again, I'd dial out the detail to -7 and add sharpening in post 'like wot u should do' - notice how the bokeh in the FS100 shots are sharpened. I can't believe I let that slide! So, I shoot with a colleague who is absolutely devoted to 5D using Philip Bloom's settings (not Technicolor). I can supply rushes that will match his 5D but without the moire and aliasing. But it does, at times, remind me of the old adage that 'the best SD is HD downsampled right'. __________________ Director/Editor - MDMA Ltd: Write, Shoot, Edit, Publish - mattdavis.pro EX1 x2, C100 --> FCPX & PPro6

December 6th, 2011, 09:16 AM	#18
Jean-Philippe Archibald Trustee Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Saguenay, Québec, Canada Posts: 1,051	Re: what dslr video would match best with the fs100? I presumed that for the OP, since he was looking for a less expensive camera, B camera means occasionnal use. But I can be wrong. If he is going to use it a lot in a two cameras environement, than the "perfect B camera" is a second FS100. That's what I do personnaly, but my cameras aren't labeled A and B... __________________ Jean-Philippe Archibald http://www.jparchibald.com - http://www.vimeo.com/jparchib

December 10th, 2011, 01:21 PM	#20
Richard Crook Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Rowlett, TX Posts: 74	Re: what dslr video would match best with the fs100? I recently purchased and used a Sony 5n on a recent corporate shoot. The image matches almost perfectly to the FS100. Much more than a Canon DSLR ( I couldn't for the life of me get the image of my 5d to come close without extensive color grading). A few caveats: the 5n noise pattern is much more blocky and is more apparent in shadows than the FS. The 5n cannot be used with external mics (which is fine for me, I just use the on board mic recording for sync reference). The dynamic range is less. With these caveats, I wouldn't use the 5n mixed with an FS unless final delivery of the video is DVD or Web hd. For me that is corporate videos. I think the two cameras are distinguishable otherwise... like if viewed on blue ray, hd broadcast, or a motion picture projection. It was great using the cam clamps to ceilings, suction cupped to windows, and stuck in hard to reach areas (one shot was from within a refrigerator, haha). I also like the ability to 'touch' the screen to areas I want to focus on. Helps with speed. So for me the use of a tiny bcam for speed and for mounting options makes it worth it...and the 5n looks so close to the FS. Don't forget, it's only $650 and comes with a decent lens! :) __________________ Richard Allen Crook www.crookedpathfilms.com

December 11th, 2011, 12:47 AM	#21
Bruce S. Yarock Trustee Join Date: May 2004 Location: Pembroke Pines, Fl. Posts: 1,842	Re: what dslr video would match best with the fs100? I had two Canon 7d's (along with my Canon HDV tape cam) before I bought the FS100. I kept one of the 7d's and also bought the Sony NX5U as a companion camera. The NX5 cuts perfectly with the FS100,, and has video features missing from the FS100 (zoom, nd filter, etc.). We've done some multicam shoots with the FS100, NX5 and 2 7D's. No color correcting needed with the Sonys, but the 7D has much more red and needs to be corrected, even when shooting in neutral. But it's not a huge amount of work to get the 7d closer to the Sonys. Bruce Yrock