S&Q questions at DVinfo.net

Jeff Troiano · October 22nd, 2011, 02:20 PM

I posted this question in another thread, that was talking about the hyperdeck and the fs100. I didn't get any a response. So I figured id start a thread and ask a couple questions.

When using an external recording device, via the hdmi output, does the S&Q function still work the same, or is that only when recording to the card?

Also, I know S&Q won't record to the fmu, but if I record it normally, and transfer to the fmu, using the copy function, will this allow to save S&Q clips over on the fmu?

I'm chomping at the bit to get my hands on the fs100. But with canons announcement only a little over a week away, I'm on hold. That, and I'm still a little shy of the money I need for my initial package, that I'm buying. I wasn't going to get the fmu at first, but the new rebate has changed my mind.

Thanks for the replies, I've been saving for a camera for a while now. Was saving for a 5Dii, but decided to wait for the mk iii announcement. Then came along the fs100, and that was just what I was looking for. So I continued to save. Im almost there and ready to get shooting.

Jeff

Doug Jensen · October 22nd, 2011, 04:14 PM

Quote: "Also, I know S&Q won't record to the fmu"

That is not true. You can record S&Q to the FMU, but you cannot record S&Q simultaneously to the internal memory card and the FMU. It has to be one or the other. That is a point I did not make very clear in my FS100 training DVD and I apologize to anyone who has been mislead by the way I explained it. Sorry about that.

As for recording S&Q to an external device, I've never bothered to try, but it would probably depend on the device itself. However, in my opinion, there would be no benefit to recording to an external device anyway even if it can be done. My testing of the FS100's internal recording vs. a NanoFlash at 100Mbps has shown to me that there is no visual difference. It is not worth the hassle of the external recorder.

Jeff Troiano · October 22nd, 2011, 04:43 PM

Thanks as always for the reply, Doug.

I remember reading in a thread, where you mentioned the differences (or lack of differences) between the internal recording and using a nanoflash.

My only interest in using an external recorder would be for scenarios where I plan to use a lot of After Effects on the scene. I was figuring the "raw footage" would hold up a little better. Of course I may be completely wrong about that. But my indie aspirations include much AE, and 3D modeling programs.

Paul Cascio · October 29th, 2011, 10:54 AM

Sorry, but what's S&Q?

Jeff Troiano · October 29th, 2011, 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Cascio

Sorry, but what's S&Q?

S&Q stands for slow and quick motion.

The Sony FS100 is able to do slow motion and quick motion internally.

Doug Jensen · October 29th, 2011, 11:54 AM

Slow and Quick Motion.

Otherwise known as overcranking and undercranking.

Shaun Roemich · November 1st, 2011, 12:34 AM

Having done so this weekend, I can tell you that in S&Q in the camera, the internal card will be written as S&Q while the hdmi to the external recorder (in our case, the atomos ninja) will be in "normal" real time.

The hdmi feed is a video feed, not a data feed.

Piotr Wozniacki · November 1st, 2011, 07:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shaun Roemich

Having done so this weekend, I can tell you that in S&Q in the camera, the internal card will be written as S&Q while the hdmi to the external recorder (in our case, the atomos ninja) will be in "normal" real time.

The hdmi feed is a video feed, not a data feed.

And it's good to have it that way - using external recorder simultaneously, one can get both the cranked and normal video...

Jeff Troiano · November 1st, 2011, 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Piotr Wozniacki

And it's good to have it that way - using external recorder simultaneously, one can get both the cranked and normal video...

That's a great point, and I'm happy you posted that. I was just thinking the other day, I'd love to be able to shoot undercranked and regular speed and be able to cut them together seamlessly.

Shaun Roemich · November 1st, 2011, 09:45 AM

Piotr: I agree! And was pleasantly surprised that even though the internal S&Q recording at overcrank doesn't have audio, the hdmi feed DOES so we have the ability to record camera audio without need of having an external audio recorder.

Rob Katz · November 3rd, 2011, 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doug Jensen

Quote: "Also, I know S&Q won't record to the fmu"

That is not true. You can record S&Q to the FMU, but you cannot record S&Q simultaneously to the internal memory card and the FMU. It has to be one or the other. That is a point I did not make very clear in my FS100 training DVD and I apologize to anyone who has been mislead by the way I explained it. Sorry about that.

As for recording S&Q to an external device, I've never bothered to try, but it would probably depend on the device itself. However, in my opinion, there would be no benefit to recording to an external device anyway even if it can be done. My testing of the FS100's internal recording vs. a NanoFlash at 100Mbps has shown to me that there is no visual difference. It is not worth the hassle of the external recorder.

doug-

so in the menu, is there an option to point the s&q footage to the fmu (or sd card)?

as always, thanks in advance.

be well

rob
smalltalk productions

Doug Jensen · November 3rd, 2011, 12:23 PM

Yes. That is correct.

Rob Katz · November 3rd, 2011, 03:40 PM

doug-

thanks for the quick reply.

i just watched your vimeo of the fs100.

you sure make the rhode island coast/newport harbor look as beautiful as it is.

i remain impressed.

as always, i appreciate the effort to keep us informed.

be well

rob
smalltalk productions

Simon Spear · December 22nd, 2011, 11:49 AM

Hi all.

I'm a new FS100 owner who's been looking at the overcranking features and I'm a bit stumped as to the best option for Slowmo.

Do you guys use 1080/50p PS to maintain the audio and then conform to 25p?

or

Do you use the 1080/25p 50fps via the S&Q menu and dump the audio?

I'm coming from a 7D where we'd shoot 720/50p at 1/100 and then conform to 25p in post. Capturing in 50p on the FS100 appears to add additional steps (and time) to the workflow as FCP doesn't recognise the 50p files so is there any other benefit to shooting 1080/50p PS than maintaining the audio track? Is it better quality at 28mbps than the 24mbps 1080/25p 50fps setting in S&Q? If not then why shoot 50p?

Thanks in advance for your insights.

Cheers, Simon

Piotr Wozniacki · December 23rd, 2011, 02:29 AM

Guys - there is no such thing as 1080/25p 50 fps - if it's 50 fps, then it's 1080/50p!

October 22nd, 2011, 02:20 PM	#1
Jeff Troiano Major Player Join Date: May 2003 Location: Nashville TN Posts: 480	S&Q questions I posted this question in another thread, that was talking about the hyperdeck and the fs100. I didn't get any a response. So I figured id start a thread and ask a couple questions. When using an external recording device, via the hdmi output, does the S&Q function still work the same, or is that only when recording to the card? Also, I know S&Q won't record to the fmu, but if I record it normally, and transfer to the fmu, using the copy function, will this allow to save S&Q clips over on the fmu? I'm chomping at the bit to get my hands on the fs100. But with canons announcement only a little over a week away, I'm on hold. That, and I'm still a little shy of the money I need for my initial package, that I'm buying. I wasn't going to get the fmu at first, but the new rebate has changed my mind. Thanks for the replies, I've been saving for a camera for a while now. Was saving for a 5Dii, but decided to wait for the mk iii announcement. Then came along the fs100, and that was just what I was looking for. So I continued to save. Im almost there and ready to get shooting. Jeff

October 22nd, 2011, 04:14 PM	#2
Doug Jensen Vortex Media Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 3,442	Re: S&Q questions Quote: "Also, I know S&Q won't record to the fmu" That is not true. You can record S&Q to the FMU, but you cannot record S&Q simultaneously to the internal memory card and the FMU. It has to be one or the other. That is a point I did not make very clear in my FS100 training DVD and I apologize to anyone who has been mislead by the way I explained it. Sorry about that. As for recording S&Q to an external device, I've never bothered to try, but it would probably depend on the device itself. However, in my opinion, there would be no benefit to recording to an external device anyway even if it can be done. My testing of the FS100's internal recording vs. a NanoFlash at 100Mbps has shown to me that there is no visual difference. It is not worth the hassle of the external recorder. __________________ Vortex Media http://www.vortexmedia.com/ Sony FS7, F55, and XDCAM training videos, field guides, and other production tools

October 22nd, 2011, 04:43 PM	#3
Jeff Troiano Major Player Join Date: May 2003 Location: Nashville TN Posts: 480	Re: S&Q questions Thanks as always for the reply, Doug. I remember reading in a thread, where you mentioned the differences (or lack of differences) between the internal recording and using a nanoflash. My only interest in using an external recorder would be for scenarios where I plan to use a lot of After Effects on the scene. I was figuring the "raw footage" would hold up a little better. Of course I may be completely wrong about that. But my indie aspirations include much AE, and 3D modeling programs.

October 29th, 2011, 10:54 AM	#4
Paul Cascio Trustee Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Bristol, CT (Home of EPSN) Posts: 1,192	Re: S&Q questions Sorry, but what's S&Q? __________________ Paul Cascio www.pictureframingschool.com

October 29th, 2011, 11:54 AM	#6
Doug Jensen Vortex Media Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 3,442	Re: S&Q questions Slow and Quick Motion. Otherwise known as overcranking and undercranking. __________________ Vortex Media http://www.vortexmedia.com/ Sony FS7, F55, and XDCAM training videos, field guides, and other production tools

November 1st, 2011, 12:34 AM	#7
Shaun Roemich Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia (formerly Winnipeg, Manitoba) Canada Posts: 4,088	Re: S&Q questions Having done so this weekend, I can tell you that in S&Q in the camera, the internal card will be written as S&Q while the hdmi to the external recorder (in our case, the atomos ninja) will be in "normal" real time. The hdmi feed is a video feed, not a data feed. __________________ Shaun C. Roemich Road Dog Media - Vancouver, BC - Videographer - Webcaster www.roaddogmedia.ca Blog: http://roaddogmedia.wordpress.com/

November 1st, 2011, 09:45 AM	#10
Shaun Roemich Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia (formerly Winnipeg, Manitoba) Canada Posts: 4,088	Re: S&Q questions Piotr: I agree! And was pleasantly surprised that even though the internal S&Q recording at overcrank doesn't have audio, the hdmi feed DOES so we have the ability to record camera audio without need of having an external audio recorder. __________________ Shaun C. Roemich Road Dog Media - Vancouver, BC - Videographer - Webcaster www.roaddogmedia.ca Blog: http://roaddogmedia.wordpress.com/

November 3rd, 2011, 12:23 PM	#12
Doug Jensen Vortex Media Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 3,442	Re: S&Q questions Yes. That is correct. __________________ Vortex Media http://www.vortexmedia.com/ Sony FS7, F55, and XDCAM training videos, field guides, and other production tools

November 3rd, 2011, 03:40 PM	#13
Rob Katz Major Player Join Date: May 2003 Location: new york city, new york Posts: 594	Re: S&Q questions doug- thanks for the quick reply. i just watched your vimeo of the fs100. you sure make the rhode island coast/newport harbor look as beautiful as it is. i remain impressed. as always, i appreciate the effort to keep us informed. be well rob smalltalk productions Last edited by Rob Katz; November 4th, 2011 at 08:18 AM.

December 22nd, 2011, 11:49 AM	#14
Simon Spear Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: London, UK Posts: 34	Re: S&Q questions Hi all. I'm a new FS100 owner who's been looking at the overcranking features and I'm a bit stumped as to the best option for Slowmo. Do you guys use 1080/50p PS to maintain the audio and then conform to 25p? or Do you use the 1080/25p 50fps via the S&Q menu and dump the audio? I'm coming from a 7D where we'd shoot 720/50p at 1/100 and then conform to 25p in post. Capturing in 50p on the FS100 appears to add additional steps (and time) to the workflow as FCP doesn't recognise the 50p files so is there any other benefit to shooting 1080/50p PS than maintaining the audio track? Is it better quality at 28mbps than the 24mbps 1080/25p 50fps setting in S&Q? If not then why shoot 50p? Thanks in advance for your insights. Cheers, Simon __________________ View from the Blue Spear FILMS

December 23rd, 2011, 02:29 AM	#15
Piotr Wozniacki Inner Circle Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Poland Posts: 4,086	Re: S&Q questions Guys - there is no such thing as 1080/25p 50 fps - if it's 50 fps, then it's 1080/50p! __________________ Sony PXW-FS7 \| DaVinci Resolve Studio; Magix Vegas Pro; i7-5960X CPU; 64 GB RAM; 2x GTX 1080 8GB GPU; Decklink 4K Extreme 12G; 4x 3TB WD Black in RAID 0; 1TB M.2 NVMe cache drive