Using 1080p 60p in FC 7.0.3 at DVinfo.net

Paul Cronin · November 10th, 2011, 08:00 AM

What software are most of you using to edit the 1080p 60p/30p footage?

I will be bringing it into ProRes in Final Cut 7.0.3 to mix with EX, and digital 35mm.

Any tips appreciated.

Should have a camera on order later today.

Mike Beckett · November 10th, 2011, 12:38 PM

Hi Paul,

This is probably no help at all, but I use Adobe Premiere Pro CS5, editing the files natively (1080 50p in my case). I use Cineform sometimes if it is an important project, it deals with colours slightly better, especially reds. Performance-wise, I don't notice any difference whether I use Cineform or not.

My PC isn't spectacular, it's an Intel i7 with 8GB of RAM, Windows 7 and separate hard drives for source, temporary and export files.

Just be careful with the sound at 60p, if you use PCM audio you should check your editing software can handle it. I had to switch to Dolby Digital stereo in the camera so it would work for me, it seems as if not all software has caught up with the 50p/60p standard.

Shaun Roemich · November 10th, 2011, 01:30 PM

To the best of my knowledge (as in I've tried it...), FCP7 will NOT edit nor import 1080P60 footage. We have an FS100 here and can't get 1080P60 footage to import at all.

Paul Cronin · November 10th, 2011, 02:58 PM

Thanks for the input.

How about 60p shot overcranked onto 30p timeline, that should work.

Paul Wood · November 10th, 2011, 04:00 PM

Hi Paul,

I use Clipwrap to import 50p footage to FCPX - set to convert to ProRes, and then import as a normal clip - it shows as 50p in the timeline, and can be speed conformed OK on a 25p timeline.

Paul

Shaun Roemich · November 10th, 2011, 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Cronin

How about 60p shot overcranked onto 30p timeline, that should work.

S&Q (60 over 30P) works. 1080P60 WILL NOT IMPORT. FCP7 doesn't recognize it.

Paul Cronin · November 10th, 2011, 04:08 PM

Paul Clipwrap looks interesting. Have you noticed quality loss?

Thanks Sean, I was looking for 60p over 30p. My mistake not explaining it properly. I corrected my first post to reflect the proper question.

Paul Wood · November 12th, 2011, 03:30 AM

No, I haven´t noticed any loss of quality - with Clipwrap, you also have the alternative of only rewrapping the mts file to .mov, without converting, but there does not seem to be any time difference in ingesting to FCP.

I find no issues at all. apart from a slightly longer workflow.

Paul Cronin · November 12th, 2011, 07:57 AM

Thanks Paul for your input.

Glen Vandermolen · November 12th, 2011, 08:24 AM

Does any editing system accept 1080/60P? I'd love to shoot in that mode.

Bart Walczak · November 13th, 2011, 02:19 PM

Premiere Pro CS5 does, and I think also new Edius and Vegas do. Come to think of it, Avid should also support this resolution, but I'm not sure about it.

Shaun Roemich · November 13th, 2011, 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Cronin

Thanks Sean, I was looking for 60p over 30p. My mistake not explaining it properly. I corrected my first post to reflect the proper question.

No worries, just wanted to make sure folks realize they can't shoot in full 1080P60 and expect it to import into FCP7. The S&Q 60 over 30 looks great!

Paul Cronin · November 13th, 2011, 03:21 PM

Nice I look forward to shooting that mode a bit with my work. Ordering this week from Abel.

November 10th, 2011, 08:00 AM	#1
Paul Cronin Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Rhode Island Posts: 4,048	Using 1080p 60p in FC 7.0.3 What software are most of you using to edit the 1080p 60p/30p footage? I will be bringing it into ProRes in Final Cut 7.0.3 to mix with EX, and digital 35mm. Any tips appreciated. Should have a camera on order later today. __________________ Paul Cronin www.paulcroninstudios.com Last edited by Paul Cronin; November 10th, 2011 at 04:11 PM.

November 10th, 2011, 12:38 PM	#2
Mike Beckett Trustee Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Antrim, Northern Ireland Posts: 1,569	Re: Using 1080p 60p in FC 7.0.3 Hi Paul, This is probably no help at all, but I use Adobe Premiere Pro CS5, editing the files natively (1080 50p in my case). I use Cineform sometimes if it is an important project, it deals with colours slightly better, especially reds. Performance-wise, I don't notice any difference whether I use Cineform or not. My PC isn't spectacular, it's an Intel i7 with 8GB of RAM, Windows 7 and separate hard drives for source, temporary and export files. Just be careful with the sound at 60p, if you use PCM audio you should check your editing software can handle it. I had to switch to Dolby Digital stereo in the camera so it would work for me, it seems as if not all software has caught up with the 50p/60p standard.

November 10th, 2011, 01:30 PM	#3
Shaun Roemich Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia (formerly Winnipeg, Manitoba) Canada Posts: 4,088	Re: Using 1080p 60p in FC 7.0.3 To the best of my knowledge (as in I've tried it...), FCP7 will NOT edit nor import 1080P60 footage. We have an FS100 here and can't get 1080P60 footage to import at all. __________________ Shaun C. Roemich Road Dog Media - Vancouver, BC - Videographer - Webcaster www.roaddogmedia.ca Blog: http://roaddogmedia.wordpress.com/

November 10th, 2011, 02:58 PM	#4
Paul Cronin Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Rhode Island Posts: 4,048	Re: Using 1080p 60p in FC 7.0.3 Thanks for the input. How about 60p shot overcranked onto 30p timeline, that should work. __________________ Paul Cronin www.paulcroninstudios.com

November 10th, 2011, 04:00 PM	#5
Paul Wood Major Player Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Madrid, Spain Posts: 485	Re: Using 1080p 60p in FC 7.0.3 Hi Paul, I use Clipwrap to import 50p footage to FCPX - set to convert to ProRes, and then import as a normal clip - it shows as 50p in the timeline, and can be speed conformed OK on a 25p timeline. Paul

November 10th, 2011, 04:08 PM	#7
Paul Cronin Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Rhode Island Posts: 4,048	Re: Using 1080p 60p in FC 7.0.3 Paul Clipwrap looks interesting. Have you noticed quality loss? Thanks Sean, I was looking for 60p over 30p. My mistake not explaining it properly. I corrected my first post to reflect the proper question. __________________ Paul Cronin www.paulcroninstudios.com

November 12th, 2011, 03:30 AM	#8
Paul Wood Major Player Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Madrid, Spain Posts: 485	Re: Using 1080p 60p in FC 7.0.3 No, I haven´t noticed any loss of quality - with Clipwrap, you also have the alternative of only rewrapping the mts file to .mov, without converting, but there does not seem to be any time difference in ingesting to FCP. I find no issues at all. apart from a slightly longer workflow.

November 12th, 2011, 07:57 AM	#9
Paul Cronin Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Rhode Island Posts: 4,048	Re: Using 1080p 60p in FC 7.0.3 Thanks Paul for your input. __________________ Paul Cronin www.paulcroninstudios.com

November 12th, 2011, 08:24 AM	#10
Glen Vandermolen Space Hipster Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 1,596	Re: Using 1080p 60p in FC 7.0.3 Does any editing system accept 1080/60P? I'd love to shoot in that mode.

November 13th, 2011, 02:19 PM	#11
Bart Walczak Major Player Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Warsaw/Poland Posts: 716	Re: Using 1080p 60p in FC 7.0.3 Premiere Pro CS5 does, and I think also new Edius and Vegas do. Come to think of it, Avid should also support this resolution, but I'm not sure about it. __________________ Creative Impatience - The Solace of Simple Solutions. A few useful plugins for Adobe users, and my remarks on the tools and the craft in general.

November 13th, 2011, 03:21 PM	#13
Paul Cronin Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Rhode Island Posts: 4,048	Re: Using 1080p 60p in FC 7.0.3 Nice I look forward to shooting that mode a bit with my work. Ordering this week from Abel. __________________ Paul Cronin www.paulcroninstudios.com