NX5U for live web Streaming to Ustream at DVinfo.net

Benny Ek · August 19th, 2010, 09:21 AM

Has anyone used the NX5U for a live web stream.
I am shooting a few high school football games this month and want to stream live on the School's Ustream account. Has anyone done this. What Connections and or additional hardware is needed to down convert to a manageable stream? No Firewire= a bit of a challenge, right?
Thanks for your help guys!

Phillip Slosberg · August 19th, 2010, 02:27 PM

I wanted to do the same with mine but as you say, no firewire output. The only option I can see is to use a device that inputs composite video signal and outputs USB or firewire. The problem is that it will only be SD and not HD. I have an old Sony HC1000 that seems to work pretty well. I will keep an eye on this thread to see if anyone else has any ideas

Ron Evans · August 20th, 2010, 07:04 AM

All the outputs work if selected. So HDMI or component are available you can even select the resolution ( page 77 in manual) If you want 1394 you could use a converter box like a Canopus.
ADVC-HD50
ADVC-HD50 | Grass Valley

A little expensive but I think designed for exactly what you want.

Or use Blackmagic Design: Intensity card or the shuttle

Ron Evans

Chris Adeyefa · August 21st, 2010, 08:45 AM

Wow that blackmagic design looks pretty sweet! And a lot cheaper, Hey Ron do u have a website? I live in ottawa aswell and would love to check out some of your work. With all the advice uve given me since I've become a member I'm anxious to see some of your portfolio.

Ron Evans · August 21st, 2010, 09:35 AM

Hi Chris. No I don't have a website. Video is a retirement hobby for me now though I started shooting film, Super8 and 16mm back in the early 60's and moved through just about all the affordable technology, VHS, 8mm, Hi8, DV, HDV and now AVCHD. Most of what I do is archive stuff with copyright restrictions so can't really be shown and since its a hobby I am not looking for business( my wife says it takes up too much of my time anyway!!!!).

Ron Evans

Whit Prophet · September 8th, 2010, 06:59 AM

Good morning
I am in a bit of a different fix, I have the camera (NX5U) and the encoder (Osprey) but have a couple of questions.

1. If I opt to use the composite output, does the camera automatically select 480 ?

2. My only other option is to select the component output (and stream with a Tricaster Pro) and be able to select other settings.

Is there an optimal setting (output of camera) for streaming SD ?

Thanks

Whit

Yannick Hausler · September 8th, 2010, 10:44 AM

I tried to do this the other week by plugging the camera into the computer with the USB cable provided. But as you guys say, I got no output.
This is probably one the other downsides of the camera along with FCP L&T!!
But I do have an elgato video capture thing that takes in composite analogue signal and on the other end there is a usb cable.
I will give that I try and let you guys know.

Regards
Yannick

Chris Adeyefa · September 11th, 2010, 05:51 PM

I think this will solve the problems you guys are referring to. Wireless Live Streaming through IP address. Its called the Teradek Cube encoder however the only problem is that it says its designed for dslr video. Not sure why it wouldnt work with an NX5U. Can anyone confirm why? Hopefully if not they are creating a version for HD camcorders aswell.

Chris Adeyefa · September 17th, 2010, 07:09 AM

Teradek has released 2 models. The HDMI version displayed above. And the HD-SDI version. Check out this link as they successfully attached the HD-SDI version to a REDONE camera. I dont see why this wouldnt work with the NXCAM's HD-SDI port. If anyone can confirm plz do as i am not a pro in this regard.

Wireless HD streaming from HDMI or SDI…a very cool product | Philip Bloom

Phil Bloom · September 17th, 2010, 12:05 PM

the hd-sdi version works with any sdi camera...

Chris Adeyefa · September 17th, 2010, 12:18 PM

There we have it people. Mr. Bloom himself has confirmed it for us! Great review btw Philip . I also cant wait until Ipad releases an app for VLC video! This will drastically improve onset production as well as adds another cost effective option for external monitoring! Thx again Phil! I'll be attending your Ottawa workshop at Vistek on Nov 5th see you then.

Phil Bloom · September 17th, 2010, 12:19 PM

but if it does not have built in streaming and is just a player then we are not so good!

Dave Luda · September 23rd, 2010, 10:47 AM

So I had a potential client contact me today about producing a live webcast Q&A with one of their keynote speakers. I have not done this before but see no reason why I shouldn't. Seems pretty straight forward, 2 camera shoot in a local hotel conference room with direct ethernet access so we can feed the video to Upstream.tv and then embed the stream where ever the client wishes. Low overhead :)

I too need an affordable solution for feeding live video from the NX5 to my Macbook pro. The Teradek "Cube" is brilliant and in my sights but not within my budget at this time. The Black Magic Intensity Shuttle would be the perfect solution BUT it's USB 3.0 and as far as I know the Mac OSX does not support that and you just never know what Mac will do in the future.

Since final output is to web I doubt we will need to live stream in HD. I am curious to see if Yannick's solution worked but my main question to you all is if anyone has hands on experience getting a live feed with the NX5 to a MacBook Pro (I have the latest 15 inch with only FW800/USB2.0 and no express slot)? Looking for component to FW or HDMI to FW as I would assume those would give you the best data rates.

Maybe I bite the bullet on that "cube" and hope I can sell the heck out of live web feeds :)

any and all feedback is much appreciated!

regards,
Dave

Yannick Hausler · September 23rd, 2010, 11:56 AM

Hi Dave,

I tried using the elgato, but ustream.tv would not pick it up and neither did it's program that you can download.

Craig Seeman · September 26th, 2010, 08:52 AM

For streaming HDMI and HD-SDI on Mac there's Matrox MXO2Mini or MXO2-LE (etc). I use the MXO2-LE on my 2008 MacBook Pro 15" (must have Express port) to stream from either my Sony EX1 or Canon Vixia HF200. It has PCIe card for desktop and Express adaptor for laptop.

The Teradeck Cube look excellent. If you can stream it to the computer into VLC than Telestream Wirecast with Desktop Presenter can screencapture the input video and SoundFlower (Mac) or Virtual Audio Cables (Windows) can capture the audio. Then Wirecast can be used to add graphics, PiP, etc and encode for streaming (even to multiple servers such as Ustream, Livestream, JustinTV).

August 19th, 2010, 09:21 AM	#1
Benny Ek Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Orange County, Ca Posts: 140	NX5U for live web Streaming to Ustream Has anyone used the NX5U for a live web stream. I am shooting a few high school football games this month and want to stream live on the School's Ustream account. Has anyone done this. What Connections and or additional hardware is needed to down convert to a manageable stream? No Firewire= a bit of a challenge, right? Thanks for your help guys! __________________ WWW.BENNYEK.COM Canon C100 ----Sony FX7----Canon HV20----Canon 60D DSLR---Glidecam---Sliders

August 19th, 2010, 02:27 PM	#2
Phillip Slosberg New Boot Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Arenal Costa Rica Posts: 16	NX5U for Ustream I wanted to do the same with mine but as you say, no firewire output. The only option I can see is to use a device that inputs composite video signal and outputs USB or firewire. The problem is that it will only be SD and not HD. I have an old Sony HC1000 that seems to work pretty well. I will keep an eye on this thread to see if anyone else has any ideas

September 8th, 2010, 06:59 AM	#6
Whit Prophet Tourist Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Brockville Posts: 1	Streaming with the NX5U Good morning I am in a bit of a different fix, I have the camera (NX5U) and the encoder (Osprey) but have a couple of questions. 1. If I opt to use the composite output, does the camera automatically select 480 ? 2. My only other option is to select the component output (and stream with a Tricaster Pro) and be able to select other settings. Is there an optimal setting (output of camera) for streaming SD ? Thanks Whit

September 8th, 2010, 10:44 AM	#7
Yannick Hausler New Boot Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: UK Posts: 18	I tried to do this the other week by plugging the camera into the computer with the USB cable provided. But as you guys say, I got no output. This is probably one the other downsides of the camera along with FCP L&T!! But I do have an elgato video capture thing that takes in composite analogue signal and on the other end there is a usb cable. I will give that I try and let you guys know. Regards Yannick Last edited by Yannick Hausler; September 9th, 2010 at 02:54 AM.

September 11th, 2010, 05:51 PM	#8
Chris Adeyefa Regular Crew Join Date: May 2010 Location: Montreal, Quebec Posts: 60	I think this will solve the problems you guys are referring to. Wireless Live Streaming through IP address. Its called the Teradek Cube encoder however the only problem is that it says its designed for dslr video. Not sure why it wouldnt work with an NX5U. Can anyone confirm why? Hopefully if not they are creating a version for HD camcorders aswell. The Teradek Cube encoder for DSLR video on Vimeo

August 20th, 2010, 07:04 AM	#3
Ron Evans Inner Circle Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 4,220	All the outputs work if selected. So HDMI or component are available you can even select the resolution ( page 77 in manual) If you want 1394 you could use a converter box like a Canopus. ADVC-HD50 ADVC-HD50 \| Grass Valley A little expensive but I think designed for exactly what you want. Or use Blackmagic Design: Intensity card or the shuttle Ron Evans

August 21st, 2010, 08:45 AM	#4
Chris Adeyefa Regular Crew Join Date: May 2010 Location: Montreal, Quebec Posts: 60	Wow that blackmagic design looks pretty sweet! And a lot cheaper, Hey Ron do u have a website? I live in ottawa aswell and would love to check out some of your work. With all the advice uve given me since I've become a member I'm anxious to see some of your portfolio.

August 21st, 2010, 09:35 AM	#5
Ron Evans Inner Circle Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 4,220	Hi Chris. No I don't have a website. Video is a retirement hobby for me now though I started shooting film, Super8 and 16mm back in the early 60's and moved through just about all the affordable technology, VHS, 8mm, Hi8, DV, HDV and now AVCHD. Most of what I do is archive stuff with copyright restrictions so can't really be shown and since its a hobby I am not looking for business( my wife says it takes up too much of my time anyway!!!!). Ron Evans

September 17th, 2010, 07:09 AM	#9
Chris Adeyefa Regular Crew Join Date: May 2010 Location: Montreal, Quebec Posts: 60	Teradek has released 2 models. The HDMI version displayed above. And the HD-SDI version. Check out this link as they successfully attached the HD-SDI version to a REDONE camera. I dont see why this wouldnt work with the NXCAM's HD-SDI port. If anyone can confirm plz do as i am not a pro in this regard. Wireless HD streaming from HDMI or SDI…a very cool product \| Philip Bloom

September 17th, 2010, 12:05 PM	#10
Phil Bloom Trustee Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: London UK Posts: 1,939	the hd-sdi version works with any sdi camera... __________________ Philip Bloom Cinematographer, Director, Filmmaker www.philipbloom.net

September 17th, 2010, 12:18 PM	#11
Chris Adeyefa Regular Crew Join Date: May 2010 Location: Montreal, Quebec Posts: 60	There we have it people. Mr. Bloom himself has confirmed it for us! Great review btw Philip . I also cant wait until Ipad releases an app for VLC video! This will drastically improve onset production as well as adds another cost effective option for external monitoring! Thx again Phil! I'll be attending your Ottawa workshop at Vistek on Nov 5th see you then.

September 17th, 2010, 12:19 PM	#12
Phil Bloom Trustee Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: London UK Posts: 1,939	but if it does not have built in streaming and is just a player then we are not so good! __________________ Philip Bloom Cinematographer, Director, Filmmaker www.philipbloom.net

September 23rd, 2010, 10:47 AM	#13
Dave Luda Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 63	cost effective solution? So I had a potential client contact me today about producing a live webcast Q&A with one of their keynote speakers. I have not done this before but see no reason why I shouldn't. Seems pretty straight forward, 2 camera shoot in a local hotel conference room with direct ethernet access so we can feed the video to Upstream.tv and then embed the stream where ever the client wishes. Low overhead :) I too need an affordable solution for feeding live video from the NX5 to my Macbook pro. The Teradek "Cube" is brilliant and in my sights but not within my budget at this time. The Black Magic Intensity Shuttle would be the perfect solution BUT it's USB 3.0 and as far as I know the Mac OSX does not support that and you just never know what Mac will do in the future. Since final output is to web I doubt we will need to live stream in HD. I am curious to see if Yannick's solution worked but my main question to you all is if anyone has hands on experience getting a live feed with the NX5 to a MacBook Pro (I have the latest 15 inch with only FW800/USB2.0 and no express slot)? Looking for component to FW or HDMI to FW as I would assume those would give you the best data rates. Maybe I bite the bullet on that "cube" and hope I can sell the heck out of live web feeds :) any and all feedback is much appreciated! regards, Dave

September 23rd, 2010, 11:56 AM	#14
Yannick Hausler New Boot Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: UK Posts: 18	Hi Dave, I tried using the elgato, but ustream.tv would not pick it up and neither did it's program that you can download.

September 26th, 2010, 08:52 AM	#15
Craig Seeman Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Brooklyn, NY, USA Posts: 3,841	For streaming HDMI and HD-SDI on Mac there's Matrox MXO2Mini or MXO2-LE (etc). I use the MXO2-LE on my 2008 MacBook Pro 15" (must have Express port) to stream from either my Sony EX1 or Canon Vixia HF200. It has PCIe card for desktop and Express adaptor for laptop. The Teradeck Cube look excellent. If you can stream it to the computer into VLC than Telestream Wirecast with Desktop Presenter can screencapture the input video and SoundFlower (Mac) or Virtual Audio Cables (Windows) can capture the audio. Then Wirecast can be used to add graphics, PiP, etc and encode for streaming (even to multiple servers such as Ustream, Livestream, JustinTV).