So what are we using to edit?

Cristian Adrian Olariu · June 29th, 2010, 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marc Myers

Thanks for the responses.
Cristian, have you experienced issues with using the FX (24Mbps) files?

None so far but I didn't use Vegas extensively, just a few small projects until now.

Ron Evans · June 29th, 2010, 05:31 PM

I have had no problems with mixing 17mbps from the SR11 and XR500 and 24mbps and LPCM audio from the NX5U. Just finished several projects multicam using NX5U, SR11 and XR500. All edited with Edius Pro 5.5 with two tracks(SR11 and XR500) converted to Canopus HQ and the NX5U track native AVCHD. All projects were theatre shows over two hours each. No problems on my Q9450 PC. Audio edited in Vegas , Bluray authored with DVD Architect, SD DVD with DVDLab Pro. Bluray encoding with Vegas and SD downconvert/encoding with TMPGenc .

Ron Evans

Marc Myers · June 30th, 2010, 10:27 AM

Decided against the Avid option. It's upgrade to PP5 (never liked it much), Edius or Vegas. I like the Vegas audio suite as well.
Time for an evening of free trial downloads, I think.
Thanks all.

Junior Pascual · July 1st, 2010, 12:52 PM

Vegas Pro 9. Using Cineform Neo HD to convert to intermediate files. AX-2000 & SR11 in multi-cam edits (up to 6 cameras).

Marc Myers · July 1st, 2010, 02:00 PM

OK, I'm game but how long does it take to render the Cineform files? I shoot primarily documentary and nature subjects. Very high ratios. That's why I'm walking away from Liquid. Converting hours of material feels like a total waste of time.

Junior Pascual · July 1st, 2010, 04:57 PM

I only use Cineform files as proxies right now due to the length of my current projects (1.5 to 3.0 hours long) and the converted files are huge. Older projects that are shorter in length, I keep the Cineform files as archive footage (they're that good). May want to check with Cineform on conversion time. It's a subjective matter depending on your patience and computer equipment :) By the way, I only convert to Cineform because most of my projects are multi-cam. If it's only one or two tracks of video, Vegas Pro 9 has no problems editing native AVCHD files.

Marc Myers · July 2nd, 2010, 08:58 AM

Very helpful. I only shoot single camera so not so much of an issue with me.

David Wayne Groves · July 2nd, 2010, 02:50 PM

Using Vegas 9e Pro, Done several projects...no problems with AVCHD footage on my i7Core setup, even with multicam projects..
I have a AX2000 due next week to add to my cam collection, should do fine in vegas....

Fred Bauer · July 4th, 2010, 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shufiyan Shukur

I can't import the .mts file into FCP :-(

You don't do it directly.... us log and transfer, and FCP should recognize your media straight from the camera.
Details are at http://pro.sony.com/bbsccms/assets/f...CAM_FCP_FR.pdf

Jeff Bradt · July 5th, 2010, 06:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Wayne Groves

Using Vegas 9e Pro, Done several projects...no problems with AVCHD footage on my i7Core setup, even with multicam projects..
I have a AX2000 due next week to add to my cam collection, should do fine in vegas....

How many tracks do you multicam David? I have the same setup but I bog down with anything more than 2 tracks on multicam. I'm using cineform to convert everything. I creates HUGE files bug HD space is cheap so I bite the bullet and go.

Shufiyan Shukur · July 5th, 2010, 06:46 AM

OK Michael. Thanks. I was able to capture AVCHD files from a Pana HMC 72 though using FCP log and transfer. It should be the same with files from the NX5 right?

Bob Krieger · July 5th, 2010, 01:59 PM

My school will purchase Adobe CS5 Production Suite for me next week, with arrival in another week??? I'll let you know how it goes then. I'm also expecting an i7 based 64-bit Win 7 edit machine a few weeks later. Should be interesting. I don't mind editing at low-res, as long as I can post the final prod in HD and downconvert beautifully to DVD.

David Wayne Groves · July 6th, 2010, 05:06 AM

Jeff, I do up to 3 AVCHD cams (1-Canon HG21, 2-Canon HG10s) in Multicam with no problem in Vegas 9 on my desktop, however when using my Laptop with 3 multicam work flows I do use Neoscene otherwise the laptop struggles a bit......Here are my computer Specs...

Home build Desktop (All parts via NewEgg)

Windows 7 Ultimate 64Bit, Vegas 9Pro 64Bit
MSI X58Pro Motherboard
i7Core 920 2.67Ghz
12Gig DDR3 1333 OCZ
GTX295 EVGA 2Gig Video card Nvidia
7.1 Auzentech Prelude Soundcard
3-1TB 32Mb Cache 7200 Hard Drives
2-LG Blu-ray Burners
800Watt PS
24" HDMI Acer LCD
23" Dell HDMI LCD
All in one card reader
Thermaltake Full Tower Spedo case

2nd System Laptop

Dell Studio 1747
Windows 7 Ultimate 64Bit, Vegas 9Pro 64Bit
i7Core 720QM Quadcore
6Gig DDR3 1066
ATI 4650 1Gig Video Card
8x DVD+R/-R Burner
2-500Gig 7200 Hard Drives
17.3" 1600x900 HD Screen
All in one card reader
Firewire
ESATA connection

William Bearyman · July 7th, 2010, 11:45 AM

I'm using Final Cut Studio 2 using the log and transfer option and editing has been just fine. On my MBP with the SD card slot, the log and transfer window comes up immediately, on my Mac Pro, using an SD Card Reader or hooking the cam up USB it takes a minute to show up in the log and transfer window (about 15-20 minutes). But once it's up, it's smooth sailing transferring it in.

I've also used Toast Titanium 10 to convert the raw .mts files to .mov, but the audio is off by 6 frames. I go this route if I don't have time to fuss with waiting for the Mac Pro to read the card. And on some occasions it's been a faster transfer, just don't forget to move the audio :).

Shufiyan Shukur · July 7th, 2010, 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fred Bauer

You don't do it directly.... us log and transfer, and FCP should recognize your media straight from the camera.
Details are at http://pro.sony.com/bbsccms/assets/f...CAM_FCP_FR.pdf

Ah! OK. Thanks for the link.

July 5th, 2010, 06:46 AM	#26
Shufiyan Shukur Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Malaysia Posts: 91	OK Michael. Thanks. I was able to capture AVCHD files from a Pana HMC 72 though using FCP log and transfer. It should be the same with files from the NX5 right? __________________ Shuf www.malaysiakini.tv

June 29th, 2010, 05:31 PM	#17
Ron Evans Inner Circle Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 4,222	I have had no problems with mixing 17mbps from the SR11 and XR500 and 24mbps and LPCM audio from the NX5U. Just finished several projects multicam using NX5U, SR11 and XR500. All edited with Edius Pro 5.5 with two tracks(SR11 and XR500) converted to Canopus HQ and the NX5U track native AVCHD. All projects were theatre shows over two hours each. No problems on my Q9450 PC. Audio edited in Vegas , Bluray authored with DVD Architect, SD DVD with DVDLab Pro. Bluray encoding with Vegas and SD downconvert/encoding with TMPGenc . Ron Evans

June 30th, 2010, 10:27 AM	#18
Marc Myers Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Long Island, NY and Northeast PA Posts: 132	Decided against the Avid option. It's upgrade to PP5 (never liked it much), Edius or Vegas. I like the Vegas audio suite as well. Time for an evening of free trial downloads, I think. Thanks all.

July 1st, 2010, 12:52 PM	#19
Junior Pascual Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Mililani, Hawaii Posts: 89	Vegas Pro 9. Using Cineform Neo HD to convert to intermediate files. AX-2000 & SR11 in multi-cam edits (up to 6 cameras).

July 1st, 2010, 02:00 PM	#20
Marc Myers Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Long Island, NY and Northeast PA Posts: 132	OK, I'm game but how long does it take to render the Cineform files? I shoot primarily documentary and nature subjects. Very high ratios. That's why I'm walking away from Liquid. Converting hours of material feels like a total waste of time.

July 1st, 2010, 04:57 PM	#21
Junior Pascual Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Mililani, Hawaii Posts: 89	I only use Cineform files as proxies right now due to the length of my current projects (1.5 to 3.0 hours long) and the converted files are huge. Older projects that are shorter in length, I keep the Cineform files as archive footage (they're that good). May want to check with Cineform on conversion time. It's a subjective matter depending on your patience and computer equipment :) By the way, I only convert to Cineform because most of my projects are multi-cam. If it's only one or two tracks of video, Vegas Pro 9 has no problems editing native AVCHD files.

July 2nd, 2010, 08:58 AM	#22
Marc Myers Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Long Island, NY and Northeast PA Posts: 132	Very helpful. I only shoot single camera so not so much of an issue with me.

July 2nd, 2010, 02:50 PM	#23
David Wayne Groves Regular Crew Join Date: May 2008 Location: Charleston WV Posts: 149	Using Vegas 9e Pro, Done several projects...no problems with AVCHD footage on my i7Core setup, even with multicam projects.. I have a AX2000 due next week to add to my cam collection, should do fine in vegas....

July 5th, 2010, 01:59 PM	#27
Bob Krieger Major Player Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Abita Springs, LA Posts: 245	My school will purchase Adobe CS5 Production Suite for me next week, with arrival in another week??? I'll let you know how it goes then. I'm also expecting an i7 based 64-bit Win 7 edit machine a few weeks later. Should be interesting. I don't mind editing at low-res, as long as I can post the final prod in HD and downconvert beautifully to DVD.

July 6th, 2010, 05:06 AM	#28
David Wayne Groves Regular Crew Join Date: May 2008 Location: Charleston WV Posts: 149	Jeff, I do up to 3 AVCHD cams (1-Canon HG21, 2-Canon HG10s) in Multicam with no problem in Vegas 9 on my desktop, however when using my Laptop with 3 multicam work flows I do use Neoscene otherwise the laptop struggles a bit......Here are my computer Specs... Home build Desktop (All parts via NewEgg) Windows 7 Ultimate 64Bit, Vegas 9Pro 64Bit MSI X58Pro Motherboard i7Core 920 2.67Ghz 12Gig DDR3 1333 OCZ GTX295 EVGA 2Gig Video card Nvidia 7.1 Auzentech Prelude Soundcard 3-1TB 32Mb Cache 7200 Hard Drives 2-LG Blu-ray Burners 800Watt PS 24" HDMI Acer LCD 23" Dell HDMI LCD All in one card reader Thermaltake Full Tower Spedo case 2nd System Laptop Dell Studio 1747 Windows 7 Ultimate 64Bit, Vegas 9Pro 64Bit i7Core 720QM Quadcore 6Gig DDR3 1066 ATI 4650 1Gig Video Card 8x DVD+R/-R Burner 2-500Gig 7200 Hard Drives 17.3" 1600x900 HD Screen All in one card reader Firewire ESATA connection

July 7th, 2010, 11:45 AM	#29
William Bearyman New Boot Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 5	I'm using Final Cut Studio 2 using the log and transfer option and editing has been just fine. On my MBP with the SD card slot, the log and transfer window comes up immediately, on my Mac Pro, using an SD Card Reader or hooking the cam up USB it takes a minute to show up in the log and transfer window (about 15-20 minutes). But once it's up, it's smooth sailing transferring it in. I've also used Toast Titanium 10 to convert the raw .mts files to .mov, but the audio is off by 6 frames. I go this route if I don't have time to fuss with waiting for the Mac Pro to read the card. And on some occasions it's been a faster transfer, just don't forget to move the audio :).