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December 4th, 2009, 11:08 AM | #151 | |
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I think it's safe to say the simpler and less complex an overall image is the easier it is for any codec to compress the image. Hovever, small pixel level image elements are not an issue for MPG-2 or 4 codecs. The HMC is certainly capable of producing lots of very fine grain noise in comparison to other cameras which produce a larger appearing noise grain. The AVCHD codec uses a smallest luma predicition block size of 4X4 (MPG-2 is 8X8). During the luma intra mode predicion decision to determine luma direction, the 9 modes of the 16X16 overall block motion are evaluated by the codec and unlikely modes are filtered out (it's no wonder CPUs have a hard time decoding). Non-contiguous pixels or smaller than 4X4 blocks of pixels are filtered and have no effect whatsoever on the codec in the direction prediction. The bottom line is noise is too small, and being fully random rather than directional, is filtered from the intra direction predicion. So there is no effect on the codecs performance (especially MPG-2) and the codecs take advantage of this. Have a good read of this paper on intra prediction (the basis of compression) and you can easily understand how the H264 codec works and why it's not some vodoo. But it is far advanced from MPG-2. http://www.waset.org/journals/waset/v13/v13-9.pdf
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December 4th, 2009, 11:51 AM | #152 |
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Donīt ask me.
I donīt know anything about this cam since I have not seen what this cam can produce That is why I asked you. I was under the impression that you had some inside info since you made that statement, that it was "much much better". Cheers Hans
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See the EBU report at http://www.ebu.ch/en/technical/trev/...3-schaefer.pdf . Ignoring the technicalities, the key section relevant here is on page 10 - "Implementation Reports", and in particular: Quote:
That is not currently going to be the case in a real time encoder in an inexpensive camera. Quote:
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You sure Barry? I'm in PAL land and the 151 brochure in front of me makes no mention of NTSC capabilities.
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Since this was happening on pictures with little motion, hence the conclusion that it was related to the way I-frames were being compressed. The codec was being "broken" not by high movement or gradients, but by fine detail. Hence my wondering how you felt it compared with 35Mbs XDCAM on still, detailed images. As said before, it's quite possible it was a combination of the codec and a camera front end feature. Quote:
http://www.resource.holdan.eu/specs/..._AG-HMC151.pdf Page 11, under "Recording Format". |
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I would hope Panasonic would use the same AVCHD compression in two products advertised in the same Pro line and produced in the same time period with the same intended market. Also when you step through frame by frame and see differences in sensor noise; it's not the noise affects the codec, it's the codec affects the noise, there is a difference.
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The "pattern" looked like compression on a still JPEG, especially around edges, and was separate to "normal" noise. (Which did change frame by frame.) |
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January 18th, 2010, 10:39 PM | #159 |
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Check out the footage of the nxcam...
Amazing quality!!!
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Having checked out the footage...
One observation - bee and dog sequences show auto focus problems.
I have found Sony's focusing algorithm surprisingly weak with furry animals, pumping constantly even when they are in the middle of the frame. This has been the weakest point in V1/FX7, which otherwise is a great camera for wildlife filming in difficult conditions. With animals, there is often no time to focus manually. |
February 2nd, 2010, 09:20 AM | #161 |
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February 16th, 2010, 11:23 AM | #162 |
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Now that we've opened a dedicated forum for these camcorders, please post new threads or reply to existing ones that are relevant to your desired topic. Thanks all,
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