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Re: NEX-VG30 or traditional camcorder?
Many sub 1000 dollar camera can do 50p these days, even my cx730 has that option. It is a fact that 50p slows down much better then 25p without any twixtor tricks. Slowing down 25p 50% looks like crap, 50p otoh still gives you a smooth motion.
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Re: NEX-VG30 or traditional camcorder?
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I now get very sharp dvd output without any judder issues while panning, all looks smooth in motion. Also blu-ray output or when I output for web use it all looks good. When shooting fast action 50p is certainly an advantage, especially compared to 25p since you get smoother motion, better results when slowing footage down and possible better autofocus capabilities if you don't or can't focus manually. The bitrate is also higher when the camera shoots at 1080p 50p in the avchd codec, whether that's delivers an advantage in image quality I don't know but I bet anyone obsessed with cameraspecs does know an answer to that :) |
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Re: NEX-VG30 or traditional camcorder?
[QUOTE=Jay Morrissette;1760256]I want to make a little documentary about people who like to take their sports cars to race tracks.
My tip is Sony PMW-200 Sony PMW-200 http://www.xdcam-user.com/2012/07/50...-sony-pmw-200/ |
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Re: NEX-VG30 or traditional camcorder?
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Re: NEX-VG30 or traditional camcorder?
That does look like a great camera, but it is about twice what I want to spend. I would like to stay under $3000.
I would prefer to own the camera with a good multi-purpose lens, and then rent special lenses if I need to. Speaking of bit rates and codecs, how do you think a vg-20 with an Atomos Ninga would compare to the PMW-200? ~Jay |
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Re: NEX-VG30 or traditional camcorder?
I have a VG 20 too but the AF is far from very good is is Contrast mode only. I think Atomos is just waisted money for the VG 20 no real better quality possible.
Dont know if you want do slowmo then PWM 200 is good - otherwise you can go for a PMW1 used about 3.5k$, wich is real Camcorder. Google or Ebay for used PMW and in this forum infos about PMW1 series Sony XDCAM EX CineAlta Forum at DVinfo.net |
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Re: NEX-VG30 or traditional camcorder?
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FCP X is so cheap & good for Slowmo has Optical flow down to 1% built in Many sub 1000 dollar camera are 1 Chip cams and are Handycams = Socker Moms things Here something mo better than a 1 Chip Handycam http://www.engadget.com/2012/08/15/p...nal-camcorder/ Last edited by Werner Graf; October 30th, 2012 at 06:35 AM. |
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Re: NEX-VG30 or traditional camcorder?
This only works well if you have a sky background like in the youtube example but is useless if you have a lot of small detail going on in the background. 50p you can slow down 50% without having to take anything into consideration and without any side effect.
Also a camera having just one chip doesn't mean it's worse then a 3 chipper, there are enough (semi) professional one chip camera's around that prove otherwise. That a handycam is by definition a "Socker Mom thing" is right but the quality these high end handicams output is more then sufficient to even produce professional results, only not in the hands of a "socker mam". :) |
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Re: NEX-VG30 or traditional camcorder?
There is quite a difference by adding 60p - while the data rate isn't doubled, it is increased (28 vs. 24 Mbps). The added data stream and the complete frames definitely make for a better source file to work with, and better results overall. Slo-mo and pulled stills both benefit.
Even some of the Sony P&S cams have 60p and will give good results if used in the right situations. The Alpha SLT's also added 60p this model year... I look for it as a "standard" feature, as the results look better, although some programs struggle with handling it (oddly including Sony's own "consumer" file management/viewer PMB/PMH programs...). As for "soccer mom cams" - those are now more likely CELL PHONE CAMS (whole FLOCKS of them!), and they may well have pretty good HD quality video too, if properly handled. It is as it has always been - it is not the aquisition device, it is the operator... and there are so many "good enough" to excellent "aquisition devices" at crazy cheap price points, it's all about the shooter and the grip gear, and lighting and sound, and talent... oh yeah, and CONTENT. |
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I had been looking at a lot of vg20 footage on Vimeo in the past and many looked like crap, some just ok and just a few very good, it's the same camera so it has to be the operator that makes the difference. |
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We will just have to agree to disagree about this point. I went to a small circuit called Bihoku Highlands and borrowed a friend's Tamron 18-270 and it was probably just enough. If I went to a proper racing circuit I would definitely want the 400mm for my A77.
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