5.1 Surround??? at DVinfo.net

Charlie Steiner · January 1st, 2012, 08:45 PM

has anyone tried recording 5.1 with the built-in mic array?
my main question is how do you extract the audio tracks? is Vegas the only way and if you use Vegas does it produce 6 discreet tracks so you can export them to an audio program?

just started working with the camera and it's got some real annoying things but it makes beautiful images. will show samples when I do some serious testing... charlie

Ron Evans · January 2nd, 2012, 08:22 AM

A Vegas 5.1 project will have 6 audio tracks that you can edit independently. You must start with a 5.1 project preset though before you drag file to timeline.

Ron Evans

Charlie Steiner · January 2nd, 2012, 10:47 PM

good news, Ron.
can I just get the cheapo version (Vegas Movie Studio HD Platinum 11)?

charlie

Steve Mullen · January 3rd, 2012, 02:46 AM

The cheap version should work just fine. I use it AFTER editing with FCP or iMovie. I import edited movie and then add music in rear tracks and LFE plus narration/single-channel sync sound in center.

From here I make a "AVCHD" DVD with 5.1 audio.

Ron Evans · January 3rd, 2012, 08:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charlie Steiner

good news, Ron.
can I just get the cheapo version (Vegas Movie Studio HD Platinum 11)?

charlie

Yes it should work. The next version Vegas Movie Studio HD Platinum 11 Production Suite Overview has a little more including a version of Sound Forge worth the little extra, but you can only get the full 5.1 editing in the full version of Vegas.

Ron Evans

Steve Mullen · January 4th, 2012, 06:32 AM

"... but you can only get the full 5.1 editing in the full version of Vegas."

If you mean editing from a 5.1 source, I think you are correct.

FCP will, I believe, take 5.1 and convert it to "matrix" stereo. I have no idea if Vegas MS will do anything with matrixed stereo. It would be nice if it would obtain the "rear" information and place it in the real rear channels.

PS: Obviously, I'm trying to avoid editing video with Vegas.

Ron Evans · January 4th, 2012, 08:19 AM

I think they will edit from source ( Sony handcams of course !!!) they just don't have the full set of surround sound controls as the full version. This is a screen shot of the Platinum HD version from the WEB site that shows the surround tracks.Vegas Movie Studio HD Platinum 11 Production Suite Gallery

I do my video editing in Edius but audio in Vegas. I use the fact that I can transfer between the programs by using the Canopus HQ file not sure if Vegas will work with ProRes but I know Edius will.

Ron Evans

Steve Mullen · January 4th, 2012, 11:43 AM

I'm in India so I can't check, but if one installs QT under Windows one gets the ProRes codec. So I imagine Vegas will read ProRes files.

Motion JPEG at 100% Quality gets you 4:2:2. Actually, maybe only 80% is needed.

Charlie Steiner · January 5th, 2012, 12:42 PM

steve I'm taking a VG20 to India tomorrow to finish up a doc.
what settings are you using? any 60p? cinematone?

charlie

Steve Mullen · January 5th, 2012, 02:54 PM

I don't have aVG20 with me. In fact the opposite -- an iPhone 4S with vario ND filter plus a good mount and mic. Using a great app that records 1080p24 at 48Mbps!!! Using a Super 35 frame. Audio is uncompressed.

Assuming you are willing to CC in post, I would;t use CineTone.

60P? What did you should the rest of your doc at?

I'm in Chennai. Where will you be?

Charlie Steiner · January 6th, 2012, 01:02 AM

What did you should the rest of your doc at?
everything from Super 8 to VHS and DVCAM (but no betamax) -- been filming a sect of mystical musicians since the early 80's. last time did HDV so I guess will use 60i though will not be attempting to match the earlier material and actually will play with the different looks.

I'm in Chennai. Where will you be?
bengali countryside a few hours from Kolkata.
will experiment with 5.1 at some crazy loud locations in the city...

- charlie

Steve Mullen · January 6th, 2012, 07:07 AM

You can reach me at Chennai 2466-0931 which is a house number. It's 6:30PM right now.

You can also try mobil: 93812-01739

Steve

January 1st, 2012, 08:45 PM	#1
Charlie Steiner Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 66	5.1 Surround??? has anyone tried recording 5.1 with the built-in mic array? my main question is how do you extract the audio tracks? is Vegas the only way and if you use Vegas does it produce 6 discreet tracks so you can export them to an audio program? just started working with the camera and it's got some real annoying things but it makes beautiful images. will show samples when I do some serious testing... charlie

January 2nd, 2012, 08:22 AM	#2
Ron Evans Inner Circle Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 4,222	Re: 5.1 Surround??? A Vegas 5.1 project will have 6 audio tracks that you can edit independently. You must start with a 5.1 project preset though before you drag file to timeline. Ron Evans

January 2nd, 2012, 10:47 PM	#3
Charlie Steiner Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 66	Re: 5.1 Surround??? good news, Ron. can I just get the cheapo version (Vegas Movie Studio HD Platinum 11)? charlie

January 3rd, 2012, 02:46 AM	#4
Steve Mullen HDV Cinema Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 4,007	Re: 5.1 Surround??? The cheap version should work just fine. I use it AFTER editing with FCP or iMovie. I import edited movie and then add music in rear tracks and LFE plus narration/single-channel sync sound in center. From here I make a "AVCHD" DVD with 5.1 audio. __________________ Switcher's Quick Guide to the Avid Media Composer >>> http://home.mindspring.com/~d-v-c

January 4th, 2012, 06:32 AM	#6
Steve Mullen HDV Cinema Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 4,007	Re: 5.1 Surround??? "... but you can only get the full 5.1 editing in the full version of Vegas." If you mean editing from a 5.1 source, I think you are correct. FCP will, I believe, take 5.1 and convert it to "matrix" stereo. I have no idea if Vegas MS will do anything with matrixed stereo. It would be nice if it would obtain the "rear" information and place it in the real rear channels. PS: Obviously, I'm trying to avoid editing video with Vegas. __________________ Switcher's Quick Guide to the Avid Media Composer >>> http://home.mindspring.com/~d-v-c

January 4th, 2012, 08:19 AM	#7
Ron Evans Inner Circle Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 4,222	Re: 5.1 Surround??? I think they will edit from source ( Sony handcams of course !!!) they just don't have the full set of surround sound controls as the full version. This is a screen shot of the Platinum HD version from the WEB site that shows the surround tracks.Vegas Movie Studio HD Platinum 11 Production Suite Gallery I do my video editing in Edius but audio in Vegas. I use the fact that I can transfer between the programs by using the Canopus HQ file not sure if Vegas will work with ProRes but I know Edius will. Ron Evans

January 4th, 2012, 11:43 AM	#8
Steve Mullen HDV Cinema Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 4,007	Re: 5.1 Surround??? I'm in India so I can't check, but if one installs QT under Windows one gets the ProRes codec. So I imagine Vegas will read ProRes files. Motion JPEG at 100% Quality gets you 4:2:2. Actually, maybe only 80% is needed. __________________ Switcher's Quick Guide to the Avid Media Composer >>> http://home.mindspring.com/~d-v-c

January 5th, 2012, 12:42 PM	#9
Charlie Steiner Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 66	Re: 5.1 Surround??? steve I'm taking a VG20 to India tomorrow to finish up a doc. what settings are you using? any 60p? cinematone? charlie

January 5th, 2012, 02:54 PM	#10
Steve Mullen HDV Cinema Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 4,007	Re: 5.1 Surround??? I don't have aVG20 with me. In fact the opposite -- an iPhone 4S with vario ND filter plus a good mount and mic. Using a great app that records 1080p24 at 48Mbps!!! Using a Super 35 frame. Audio is uncompressed. Assuming you are willing to CC in post, I would;t use CineTone. 60P? What did you should the rest of your doc at? I'm in Chennai. Where will you be? __________________ Switcher's Quick Guide to the Avid Media Composer >>> http://home.mindspring.com/~d-v-c

January 6th, 2012, 01:02 AM	#11
Charlie Steiner Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 66	Re: 5.1 Surround??? What did you should the rest of your doc at? everything from Super 8 to VHS and DVCAM (but no betamax) -- been filming a sect of mystical musicians since the early 80's. last time did HDV so I guess will use 60i though will not be attempting to match the earlier material and actually will play with the different looks. I'm in Chennai. Where will you be? bengali countryside a few hours from Kolkata. will experiment with 5.1 at some crazy loud locations in the city... - charlie

January 6th, 2012, 07:07 AM	#12
Steve Mullen HDV Cinema Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 4,007	Re: 5.1 Surround??? You can reach me at Chennai 2466-0931 which is a house number. It's 6:30PM right now. You can also try mobil: 93812-01739 Steve __________________ Switcher's Quick Guide to the Avid Media Composer >>> http://home.mindspring.com/~d-v-c