Finally handled a VG10 at DVinfo.net

Glen Vandermolen · January 16th, 2011, 03:13 PM

At last, I finally had a hands-on with this camera. It was really nice, and the tight depth of field I managed to get from the stock lens was amazing. A few questions:

While shooting, can you monitor the video through the HDMI connector? Can it playback recorded video the same way?

The cam was in 17mbps. When I switched it to 24mbps, a warning came up, saying something like "You cannot record 24mbps to AVCHD card (disc?)," or something like that. Huh?

This would make a nice b-cam or used for special "artsy" shallow depth of field shots. As long as I don't need audio.

Steve Mullen · January 16th, 2011, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Glen Vandermolen

At last, I finally had a hands-on with this camera. It was really nice, and the tight depth of field I managed to get from the stock lens was amazing. A few questions:

While shooting, can you monitor the video through the HDMI connector? Can it playback recorded video the same way?

The cam was in 17mbps. When I switched it to 24mbps, a warning came up, saying something like "You cannot record 24mbps to AVCHD card (disc?)," or something like that. Huh?

This would make a nice b-cam or used for special "artsy" shallow depth of field shots. As long as I don't need audio.

The max AVCHD data rate is 17Mbps.

Glen Vandermolen · January 16th, 2011, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Mullen

The max AVCHD data rate is 17Mbps.

What?!! It can shoot in 24mbps, but you can only record 17mbps? That makes no sense at all.

Steve Mullen · January 17th, 2011, 04:13 AM

Sorry, of course the camcorder can shoot and record in 24Mbps, but you cannot make an AVCHD disc at greater than 17Mbps.

Paul Newman · January 17th, 2011, 05:59 AM

Yes you can use an HDMI external monitor for shooting and playback - but it disables the viewfinder :-(

Glen Vandermolen · January 17th, 2011, 07:40 AM

Thanks for the info, guys, but i have to ask a stupid question - what is an AVCHD disc?

And as far as the monitor, I was thinking of a 5 - 7" camera mounted monitor, so if it disables the cam's own monitors, I can live with that. The monitors on the VG10 are high rez and all, but to my 50 yr. old eyes, they're still kinda small.

Dave Blackhurst · January 17th, 2011, 01:46 PM

Sony has a new monitor designed for the Alpha series SLR/SLT's -

http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/digital-...slt-dslrs.html

Junior Pascual · January 17th, 2011, 02:26 PM

AVCHD disc is burning high definition (AVCHD) onto a regular DVD disc.

Robert Young · January 18th, 2011, 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Junior Pascual

AVCHD disc is burning high definition (AVCHD) onto a regular DVD disc.

It amounts to burning Blu Ray onto a DVD, but the data rate is limited by the DVD disk technology.
You can actually burn the file at a higher data rate, but it will not play back properly.
17mbs is about the most you can get away with.

Steve Mullen · January 18th, 2011, 03:55 AM

A trivia point: FOX wanted a less costly way to distribute short HD programs. So they insisted that HD content be able to be written on special quality 9GB DVDs that could spin fast enough for about 25Mbps.

Ordinary DVDs start to wobble at speeds needed to go above 18Mbps.

Why did home brew AVCHD discs not play on some BD players?

FOX required a copyright bit be set, and the BD players were looking for this bit.

Glen Vandermolen · January 19th, 2011, 09:24 AM

So...
If you want to burn video to a DVD, do you have to shoot it at 17Mbps?

Steve Mullen · January 19th, 2011, 06:13 PM

Only if you want to burn a DVD directly from the camera. If you are going to edit, you can shoot at 24.

Glen Vandermolen · January 27th, 2011, 10:48 PM

Well, i went ahead and bought the VG10. It's so different than the cameras I'm used to. It's going to be a learning experience!

January 16th, 2011, 03:13 PM	#1
Glen Vandermolen Space Hipster Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 1,596	Finally handled a VG10 At last, I finally had a hands-on with this camera. It was really nice, and the tight depth of field I managed to get from the stock lens was amazing. A few questions: While shooting, can you monitor the video through the HDMI connector? Can it playback recorded video the same way? The cam was in 17mbps. When I switched it to 24mbps, a warning came up, saying something like "You cannot record 24mbps to AVCHD card (disc?)," or something like that. Huh? This would make a nice b-cam or used for special "artsy" shallow depth of field shots. As long as I don't need audio.

January 17th, 2011, 04:13 AM	#4
Steve Mullen HDV Cinema Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 4,007	Sorry, of course the camcorder can shoot and record in 24Mbps, but you cannot make an AVCHD disc at greater than 17Mbps. __________________ Switcher's Quick Guide to the Avid Media Composer >>> http://home.mindspring.com/~d-v-c

January 17th, 2011, 05:59 AM	#5
Paul Newman Major Player Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Agua Blanca Ibiza Posts: 305	Yes you can use an HDMI external monitor for shooting and playback - but it disables the viewfinder :-( __________________ Another Sunny Day in Ibiza

January 18th, 2011, 03:55 AM	#10
Steve Mullen HDV Cinema Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 4,007	A trivia point: FOX wanted a less costly way to distribute short HD programs. So they insisted that HD content be able to be written on special quality 9GB DVDs that could spin fast enough for about 25Mbps. Ordinary DVDs start to wobble at speeds needed to go above 18Mbps. Why did home brew AVCHD discs not play on some BD players? FOX required a copyright bit be set, and the BD players were looking for this bit. __________________ Switcher's Quick Guide to the Avid Media Composer >>> http://home.mindspring.com/~d-v-c

January 19th, 2011, 06:13 PM	#12
Steve Mullen HDV Cinema Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 4,007	Only if you want to burn a DVD directly from the camera. If you are going to edit, you can shoot at 24. __________________ Switcher's Quick Guide to the Avid Media Composer >>> http://home.mindspring.com/~d-v-c

January 17th, 2011, 07:40 AM	#6
Glen Vandermolen Space Hipster Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 1,596	Thanks for the info, guys, but i have to ask a stupid question - what is an AVCHD disc? And as far as the monitor, I was thinking of a 5 - 7" camera mounted monitor, so if it disables the cam's own monitors, I can live with that. The monitors on the VG10 are high rez and all, but to my 50 yr. old eyes, they're still kinda small.

January 17th, 2011, 01:46 PM	#7
Dave Blackhurst Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Apple Valley CA Posts: 4,874	Sony has a new monitor designed for the Alpha series SLR/SLT's - http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/digital-...slt-dslrs.html

January 17th, 2011, 02:26 PM	#8
Junior Pascual Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Mililani, Hawaii Posts: 89	AVCHD disc is burning high definition (AVCHD) onto a regular DVD disc.

January 19th, 2011, 09:24 AM	#11
Glen Vandermolen Space Hipster Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 1,596	So... If you want to burn video to a DVD, do you have to shoot it at 17Mbps?

January 27th, 2011, 10:48 PM	#13
Glen Vandermolen Space Hipster Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 1,596	Well, i went ahead and bought the VG10. It's so different than the cameras I'm used to. It's going to be a learning experience!