EA50 & VG20 match? at DVinfo.net

Steven Digges · March 24th, 2013, 02:43 PM

Next week I will be using my EA50 in pre-set #3 and using a loaned VG20 on the set too. I think one of the regulars here does this a lot? Any suggestions on matching?

Funny thing is I looked at the VG20 and laughed...I have not had to "read" consumer menu icons in many years!

Steve

Dmitri Zigany · March 24th, 2013, 05:42 PM

I used it once to shoot a live performance.

I borrowed the VG20 from a friend, and of course he forgot both to charge it and to include the charger. And it was at 4% battery...

As I was unfamiliar with it, trying to set it up, I tried to set it to full auto but I think gain got stuck at 30dB so the camera probably needed to use high shutter speeds, giving the footage some rolling effects and it was a bit grainy.
Still I felt that they matched up pretty good. I used the EA50 with the stock lens and the VG20 with the Sony 50mm/1.8...

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Robert Moran · March 25th, 2013, 05:38 PM

the 20 and 50 are a perfect match as they use the same sensor for video acquisition.

Noa Put · March 26th, 2013, 01:10 AM

They might use the same sensor but as I understood the vg20 doesn't have any picture profiles so you are probably going to tweak the ea50 anyway to get a good match.

Dmitri Zigany · March 26th, 2013, 06:39 PM

I'd rather tweek the VG20 in post to match the EA50 than to tweek the EA50 to match the VG20 as the EA50 is probably going to be the main camera...

Noa Put · March 27th, 2013, 01:03 AM

I found out at last wedding I did my ea50 is matching very well with my sony handicams (cx730), I used the abel cine pictureprofile where I just have to crush the blacks a bit more to get it right. It's only more difficult to get a match with my canon t2i (550d).
Guess if you want to adjust the vg20 in post you"ll need to shoot with a flatter pictureprofile on the ea50?

Dmitri Zigany · March 27th, 2013, 06:48 AM

I set my EA50 to PP5 on the first day and never changed it since ;)

Noa Put · March 27th, 2013, 07:04 AM

I have used pp5 for one of my films but it crushes the blacks a lot, nice for sunny outdoor but not so good for indoor where I prefer the abelcine preset. Would you say the pp5 preset matches the vg20 best?

Dmitri Zigany · March 27th, 2013, 11:23 AM

No, I'm just saying I can't be bothered so much with the picture profiles ;)
I did some testing and the PP5 look appealed the most to me so it stuck. One of these days I experiment more with them...

Ron Little · March 27th, 2013, 11:31 AM

Has anyone tried to match the VG-30? I understand that it has picture profiles.

James Manford · March 27th, 2013, 03:06 PM

VG30 and EA50 are practically the same to be honest. Because the EA50 deep inside is basically a VG30 from what I have read.

And with Picture Profiles it will be easy to match.

Reason no comparison has been done is because the VG30 costs not much less than a EA50. Where as the VG20 is much cheaper now.

Robert Moran · April 1st, 2013, 08:16 PM

With default PPs , the 50 and 20 match perfectly.

March 24th, 2013, 02:43 PM	#1
Steven Digges Trustee Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 1,828	EA50 & VG20 match? Next week I will be using my EA50 in pre-set #3 and using a loaned VG20 on the set too. I think one of the regulars here does this a lot? Any suggestions on matching? Funny thing is I looked at the VG20 and laughed...I have not had to "read" consumer menu icons in many years! Steve __________________ www.CorporateShow.com Been at this so long I'm rounding my years of experience down...not up!

March 24th, 2013, 05:42 PM	#2
Dmitri Zigany Major Player Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Berlin, Germany Posts: 286	Re: EA50 & VG20 match? I used it once to shoot a live performance. I borrowed the VG20 from a friend, and of course he forgot both to charge it and to include the charger. And it was at 4% battery... As I was unfamiliar with it, trying to set it up, I tried to set it to full auto but I think gain got stuck at 30dB so the camera probably needed to use high shutter speeds, giving the footage some rolling effects and it was a bit grainy. Still I felt that they matched up pretty good. I used the EA50 with the stock lens and the VG20 with the Sony 50mm/1.8... It's available here: Evilyn Frantic - FFP Victorian Circus on Vimeo

March 26th, 2013, 01:10 AM	#4
Noa Put Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Posts: 9,510	Re: EA50 & VG20 match? They might use the same sensor but as I understood the vg20 doesn't have any picture profiles so you are probably going to tweak the ea50 anyway to get a good match.

March 26th, 2013, 06:39 PM	#5
Dmitri Zigany Major Player Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Berlin, Germany Posts: 286	Re: EA50 & VG20 match? I'd rather tweek the VG20 in post to match the EA50 than to tweek the EA50 to match the VG20 as the EA50 is probably going to be the main camera...

March 27th, 2013, 01:03 AM	#6
Noa Put Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Posts: 9,510	Re: EA50 & VG20 match? I found out at last wedding I did my ea50 is matching very well with my sony handicams (cx730), I used the abel cine pictureprofile where I just have to crush the blacks a bit more to get it right. It's only more difficult to get a match with my canon t2i (550d). Guess if you want to adjust the vg20 in post you"ll need to shoot with a flatter pictureprofile on the ea50?

March 25th, 2013, 05:38 PM	#3
Robert Moran Regular Crew Join Date: May 2011 Location: Redding, CT Posts: 71	Re: EA50 & VG20 match? the 20 and 50 are a perfect match as they use the same sensor for video acquisition.

March 27th, 2013, 06:48 AM	#7
Dmitri Zigany Major Player Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Berlin, Germany Posts: 286	Re: EA50 & VG20 match? I set my EA50 to PP5 on the first day and never changed it since ;)

March 27th, 2013, 07:04 AM	#8
Noa Put Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Posts: 9,510	Re: EA50 & VG20 match? I have used pp5 for one of my films but it crushes the blacks a lot, nice for sunny outdoor but not so good for indoor where I prefer the abelcine preset. Would you say the pp5 preset matches the vg20 best?

March 27th, 2013, 11:23 AM	#9
Dmitri Zigany Major Player Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Berlin, Germany Posts: 286	Re: EA50 & VG20 match? No, I'm just saying I can't be bothered so much with the picture profiles ;) I did some testing and the PP5 look appealed the most to me so it stuck. One of these days I experiment more with them...

March 27th, 2013, 11:31 AM	#10
Ron Little Major Player Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Pensacola Fl. Posts: 627	Re: EA50 & VG20 match? Has anyone tried to match the VG-30? I understand that it has picture profiles.

March 27th, 2013, 03:06 PM	#11
James Manford Trustee Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: London, UK Posts: 1,393	Re: EA50 & VG20 match? VG30 and EA50 are practically the same to be honest. Because the EA50 deep inside is basically a VG30 from what I have read. And with Picture Profiles it will be easy to match. Reason no comparison has been done is because the VG30 costs not much less than a EA50. Where as the VG20 is much cheaper now.

April 1st, 2013, 08:16 PM	#12
Robert Moran Regular Crew Join Date: May 2011 Location: Redding, CT Posts: 71	Re: EA50 & VG20 match? With default PPs , the 50 and 20 match perfectly.