Sony NEX-EA50 announced... at DVinfo.net

Werner Graf · August 17th, 2012, 07:00 AM

Repacked VG 20 & XLR an a power zoom and lot of buttons...

Noa Put · August 17th, 2012, 07:05 AM

You are too late :)

Quote:

http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/digital-...ml#post1748842

Werner Graf · August 17th, 2012, 08:15 AM

you are free to chose the fear you want...

John Vincent · August 17th, 2012, 04:57 PM

I think I'll just hang hang on to my VG20 until the real next step from Sony - 10/12 bit cameras.

Bill Bruner · August 18th, 2012, 08:18 AM

Goodbye Frankenrigs. Hello NEX-EA50 :)

FWIW - here are my views on the new camera (spoiler: I like it ;)): Hybrid Camera Revolution: Goodbye Frankenrigs! Hello Sony NEX-EA50!

Cheers,

Bill
Hybrid Camera Revolution

Steve Mullen · August 21st, 2012, 12:00 PM

Hits all my "must have's" except for no ND filter and photo shooting.

If you want shallow DOF you MUST use and ND. With the wide selection of lenses -- that's a lot of ND filters if you really have a large selection of lenses -- which is kind of the point of an interchangeable lens camcorder.

Inclusion of photo means an OLPF designed for 16MP when for video you want one designed for 2MP.

For a $2500 camera these are just nits. At $4500 they are red flags.

Plus, I find the BM or DB more "interesting." To me, 8-bit, 4:2:0, AVC compressed video is such a legacy technology. But, you know Sony will milk this technology for as long they can. Then it will be Hi8.

My experience with JVC's QuadHD camcorder says I won't buy anything but a 4K2K camera for creating HD productions.

John Vincent · August 21st, 2012, 10:08 PM

"For a $2500 camera these are just nits. At $4500 they are red flags."

Pretty much nails it.

Lee Mullen · August 21st, 2012, 11:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Vincent

"For a $2500 camera these are just nits. At $4500 they are red flags."

Pretty much nails it.

Why is that?

John Vincent · August 22nd, 2012, 01:03 AM

B/C a camera that comes out that is essentially a VG20 w/ 2 XLR mic inputs and some more buttons (and not much else) isn't worth $4,500 in my opinion. You can buy the FS100 for that kind of bread.

I like my VG20 a lot - it's a proper camera in many ways. But it doesn't have XLRs, sharpening, or control over contrast. If a shooter thinks those things, plus a slightly larger profile (and arguably "sexier" look) are worth $3,000, good.

But not me. It's using the same exact glass as the kit lens. It uses uses the same chip, the same processing, the same compression technique, the same color space, the same lens mount, the same frames rates, same HDMI out only (no SDI), same lack of ND wheel, yada.

The new camera's real tangable advantage is having full manual control over the image and 27 pushable/switchable buttons compared to the VG20's 14 to help use that functionality. Remember though, the EA50 doesn't have a flip out touchscreen - same screen as FS100. I don't hate the screen and I know that I would never want to go back to a "dumb" screen, regardless of button set.

As to whether or not the EA50 can it be used as a (actually very good) still camera like the VG20 is a bit of a mystery - some sites like Phil Bloom say no, and Sony's site says yes. Ditto that for timecode - conflicting reports. But as the VG20 marketing showed us, you can't always take Sony at their word on that front.

No, the bottom line is that your paying $3,000 for 13 more buttons, lack of touchscreen, 2XLRs, and a really nice form factor - and not much else. Add to that that it's $4,500 ENG cam with no ND filter, and I'd say this is overpriced by $1,500 to $2,000. But to each their own - speaking only about my own tastes/needs.

I suspect wedding guys will absolutely love this thing.

Noa Put · August 22nd, 2012, 02:05 AM

Quote:

I suspect wedding guys will absolutely love this thing.

Not for 4500, if it was around 3000, then yes, I could live with the limitations of which a missing ND filter is by far the biggest. If you want DOF control you"ll need the ND, with my dslr camera I can understand why it's not there but with the videocamera's Sony has in the higher priceranges (like the fs100) I can't understand why they keep forgetting the ND filter, it's not like it's technically impossible to integrate and for a pricetag of 4500 I expect it to be there.

Werner Graf · August 26th, 2012, 07:02 AM

In this interview with Dan Chung it is the price arround 300U$ for the body only (China)
in Ebay it is 9500$ now, with lens crazy!

http://www.dslrnewsshooter.com/2012/...-demonstrated/

In general I dont think the ND Filter is such a Problem.
I like Manual Exposure with a Vari ND in front and can fine tune the exposure with very subtle variations...

Ron Evans · August 26th, 2012, 07:53 AM

ND is not an issue for me either as all my projects are indoors. It may make a good alternate to my NX5U as it seems most of the accessories will be the same. Batteries, LANC, FMU128 etc.

Ron Evans

Chris Barcellos · August 26th, 2012, 11:58 AM

By this time, most large format shooters have gotten used to the no ND Filter configuration.

This camera seems to have answered a lot of issues. Even more interesting is the fact that it looks like you don't need any additional equipment to make it an event shooters camera. For cinema type shooting it certainly reverses the trend from small foot print.

I certainly want to hear more about features like picture profiles to be sure Sony isn't still crippling this camera.

August 17th, 2012, 07:00 AM	#1
Werner Graf Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Zuerich Switzerland Posts: 98	Sony NEX-EA50 announced... Repacked VG 20 & XLR an a power zoom and lot of buttons...

August 17th, 2012, 08:15 AM	#3
Werner Graf Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Zuerich Switzerland Posts: 98	re: Sony NEX-EA50 announced... you are free to chose the fear you want...

August 17th, 2012, 04:57 PM	#4
John Vincent Trustee Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 1,065	re: Sony NEX-EA50 announced... I think I'll just hang hang on to my VG20 until the real next step from Sony - 10/12 bit cameras.

August 18th, 2012, 08:18 AM	#5
Bill Bruner Major Player Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Sunny California Posts: 513	re: Sony NEX-EA50 announced... Goodbye Frankenrigs. Hello NEX-EA50 :) FWIW - here are my views on the new camera (spoiler: I like it ;)): Hybrid Camera Revolution: Goodbye Frankenrigs! Hello Sony NEX-EA50! Cheers, Bill Hybrid Camera Revolution

August 21st, 2012, 12:00 PM	#6
Steve Mullen HDV Cinema Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 4,007	re: Sony NEX-EA50 announced... Hits all my "must have's" except for no ND filter and photo shooting. If you want shallow DOF you MUST use and ND. With the wide selection of lenses -- that's a lot of ND filters if you really have a large selection of lenses -- which is kind of the point of an interchangeable lens camcorder. Inclusion of photo means an OLPF designed for 16MP when for video you want one designed for 2MP. For a $2500 camera these are just nits. At $4500 they are red flags. Plus, I find the BM or DB more "interesting." To me, 8-bit, 4:2:0, AVC compressed video is such a legacy technology. But, you know Sony will milk this technology for as long they can. Then it will be Hi8. My experience with JVC's QuadHD camcorder says I won't buy anything but a 4K2K camera for creating HD productions. __________________ Switcher's Quick Guide to the Avid Media Composer >>> http://home.mindspring.com/~d-v-c

August 21st, 2012, 10:08 PM	#7
John Vincent Trustee Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 1,065	re: Sony NEX-EA50 announced... "For a $2500 camera these are just nits. At $4500 they are red flags." Pretty much nails it.

August 22nd, 2012, 01:03 AM	#9
John Vincent Trustee Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 1,065	re: Sony NEX-EA50 announced... B/C a camera that comes out that is essentially a VG20 w/ 2 XLR mic inputs and some more buttons (and not much else) isn't worth $4,500 in my opinion. You can buy the FS100 for that kind of bread. I like my VG20 a lot - it's a proper camera in many ways. But it doesn't have XLRs, sharpening, or control over contrast. If a shooter thinks those things, plus a slightly larger profile (and arguably "sexier" look) are worth $3,000, good. But not me. It's using the same exact glass as the kit lens. It uses uses the same chip, the same processing, the same compression technique, the same color space, the same lens mount, the same frames rates, same HDMI out only (no SDI), same lack of ND wheel, yada. The new camera's real tangable advantage is having full manual control over the image and 27 pushable/switchable buttons compared to the VG20's 14 to help use that functionality. Remember though, the EA50 doesn't have a flip out touchscreen - same screen as FS100. I don't hate the screen and I know that I would never want to go back to a "dumb" screen, regardless of button set. As to whether or not the EA50 can it be used as a (actually very good) still camera like the VG20 is a bit of a mystery - some sites like Phil Bloom say no, and Sony's site says yes. Ditto that for timecode - conflicting reports. But as the VG20 marketing showed us, you can't always take Sony at their word on that front. No, the bottom line is that your paying $3,000 for 13 more buttons, lack of touchscreen, 2XLRs, and a really nice form factor - and not much else. Add to that that it's $4,500 ENG cam with no ND filter, and I'd say this is overpriced by $1,500 to $2,000. But to each their own - speaking only about my own tastes/needs. I suspect wedding guys will absolutely love this thing.

August 26th, 2012, 07:02 AM	#11
Werner Graf Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Zuerich Switzerland Posts: 98	re: Sony NEX-EA50 announced... In this interview with Dan Chung it is the price arround 300U$ for the body only (China) in Ebay it is 9500$ now, with lens crazy! http://www.dslrnewsshooter.com/2012/...-demonstrated/ In general I dont think the ND Filter is such a Problem. I like Manual Exposure with a Vari ND in front and can fine tune the exposure with very subtle variations...

August 26th, 2012, 07:53 AM	#12
Ron Evans Inner Circle Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 4,222	re: Sony NEX-EA50 announced... ND is not an issue for me either as all my projects are indoors. It may make a good alternate to my NX5U as it seems most of the accessories will be the same. Batteries, LANC, FMU128 etc. Ron Evans

August 26th, 2012, 11:58 AM	#13
Chris Barcellos Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Elk Grove CA Posts: 6,838	re: Sony NEX-EA50 announced... By this time, most large format shooters have gotten used to the no ND Filter configuration. This camera seems to have answered a lot of issues. Even more interesting is the fact that it looks like you don't need any additional equipment to make it an event shooters camera. For cinema type shooting it certainly reverses the trend from small foot print. I certainly want to hear more about features like picture profiles to be sure Sony isn't still crippling this camera. __________________ Chris J. Barcellos