Sony Z7 / S270 various topics

Tim Dashwood · June 4th, 2008, 08:45 AM

In the case of 25P vs 50i it shouldn't make a difference. There is no pulldown to worry about so the simple fact that progressive frames have been recorded into 50i makes it a non-issue to edit in a 50i sequence.

One caveat: if you are animating graphics you will notice that they are being rendered into 50i.

Hans Dijkman · June 7th, 2008, 08:18 AM

Got a question.

I Have the HVR-S270 and most of the time I use all of the audio channels, 1+2+3 and 4, but when I want to capture from tape the 3rd and 4th channel I have to change the setting of the firewire output to ch 3+4 instead of 1+2.

But when I load the m2t in FCP Studio 2 or Sony vegas I only have the 1st and 2nd channel and can't choose ch 3 and 4 but they are recorded in the file.

Does someone have the same problem or a solution?

Hans Dijkman
steadiHD Media Productions
www.steadihd.com

Ian Campbell · June 8th, 2008, 01:06 PM

Is anyone shooting with XY color on? If so, what do you think of this mode if you have a monitor that has this feature to view the footage on?

LCD or Plasma? What do you folks prefer to view your finished projects (or any other program) on. A lot of folks prefer the plasma technology for its increased contrast ratio and greater color range . I just find plasma looks a bit pixelised compared to most of the LCD panels I've looked at. I have to quickly replace a faulty 42" LCD TV / monitor within a day or two. Any input, recommendations etc. would be appreciated.

Also, it would be cool to know what other Z7U shooters and editors prefer and use.

Thanks!

Ian

Barry Wilkinson · June 8th, 2008, 01:12 PM

I had a DSR 570 before my 270 and I thought the 570 was good in low light, but after a couple of weddings now( in summer) I think the 270 is probably as good in low light . The maximum gain I have used so far is 9db but havent seen the end result yet..it looked OK on the cameras LCD screen. On a sunny day yesterday I had to go to filter 4( no gain) to compensate for the amout of light. I should have set position one to negative gain rather than zero. No complaints then about sensitivity but the eyepiece viewfinder is rubbish in my opinion( compared with the 570's tube)

Luc De Wandel · June 8th, 2008, 03:04 PM

I saw some HD-footage of my Z7 on a Sony full-HD LCD-tv (PAL) and that is stunning.

Scott Cantrell · June 11th, 2008, 02:27 PM

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Keith Forman · June 11th, 2008, 02:49 PM

That's about what I paid ($5479) from an authorized dealer (that I am not allow to mention) on February 20th of this year.

kdbf

Hans Dijkman · June 12th, 2008, 06:13 AM

I can't get my s270 working in Final Cut with FireWire because the capture preset isn't right.
Does anyone know the right one?

HDV 1080 50i

Ryan Valle · June 15th, 2008, 10:59 PM

Hi,
I've been reading up on this forum and found it to be a great source of information based on user experience.

Right now, I am looking around to buy a camera for event videography and its come down to two choices for me: XH-A1 or Z7U.

I've tried looking for a comparison of the two cameras on multiple sites, but cant seem to find one. The biggest factor for me is low light.

Z7U users reported really good low light performance, but XH-A1 has varying reports of low light performance. I've heard some users complain about its lowlight while others say its really good. Has anybody done a side by side comparison of this? I'd love to see it.

Forrest Burger · June 17th, 2008, 03:22 PM

Here's a scenario I'm curious about...shooting with a Z7 and editing with FCP:

1. Record to card(s) and tape(s) simultaneously.

2. Edit a project native HDV using the card(s)...essentially offline.

3. Re-batch through either HDMI or HD-SDI...edit/conform/color correct same project in ProRes HQ, essentially on-line.

Will the timecode match in this case? There wouldn't be lot of quick starts and stops when recording. My work is corporate and for broadcast. I've come to like ProRes HQ. It's 10 bit and seems to hold up much better to graphics and color correction.

I know similar work flows have been talked about here, but I don't remember ever seeing a definitive answer.

Thanks,

Forrest

Jason LeFrense · June 18th, 2008, 11:08 AM

Can anyone let me know the setup for recording HDV to tape and SD 4:3 to CF on the Z7. I will be shooting a wedding this weekend and the final product will be SD. I would like to have the tape HDV for backup and future demo reel material.

Thanks
Jason

Jason LeFrense · June 18th, 2008, 11:15 AM

Hey Folks I finally found the thread thanks. But if anyone has any tips I should know when doing this please let me know.

Thanks
Jason

Ryan Valle · June 20th, 2008, 04:30 PM

I've read a lot about how the Z7's way of recording 24p is different and wont play back on older decks such as the M15U or GV-HD700. Is this the case when also recording in 30p?

Also, I noticed that there are 2 types of 24p stated in the Z7 online manual. Whats the difference between the two?

Zoltan Lorincz · June 21st, 2008, 03:53 PM

Just tested, how fast can you start recording on tape and on CF card
Here are my test results:

1.If the camcorder is turned off:
Tape rec. stars in 9 sec.
MRU rec. starts in 15 sec.
2.If the camcorder is turned on and you push the rec. button
Tape rec. stars in 1 sec.
MRU rec. starts in 1 sec.
3. If during recording push the rec. button twice (sop, start again)
Tape rec. restars in 6 sec.
MRU rec. restarts in 5 sec.
4. In sand by after a time (3min) the "STBY" sign disappears
Tape rec. restars in 6 sec.
MRU rec. starts in 1 sec.

These times are just for one type of recording (not synchronous mode)

Chad Dyle · July 7th, 2008, 10:30 AM

I'm going to attach (not sure how) my Compact Flash recorder from my Z7U to my Canon HV30. I then plan on attaching all of that to my Glidecam 4000. Any idea on the best way to attach the CF unit to the HV30? The CF reader has a mounting hole on the bottom (as well as the HV30), but whats the best way to do this?

June 4th, 2008, 08:45 AM	#76
Tim Dashwood Wrangler Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Toronto, ON, Canada Posts: 3,637	In the case of 25P vs 50i it shouldn't make a difference. There is no pulldown to worry about so the simple fact that progressive frames have been recorded into 50i makes it a non-issue to edit in a 50i sequence. One caveat: if you are animating graphics you will notice that they are being rendered into 50i. __________________ Tim Dashwood

June 7th, 2008, 08:18 AM	#77
Hans Dijkman Tourist Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Almere Posts: 2	4 channels audio in m2t file? s270 Got a question. I Have the HVR-S270 and most of the time I use all of the audio channels, 1+2+3 and 4, but when I want to capture from tape the 3rd and 4th channel I have to change the setting of the firewire output to ch 3+4 instead of 1+2. But when I load the m2t in FCP Studio 2 or Sony vegas I only have the 1st and 2nd channel and can't choose ch 3 and 4 but they are recorded in the file. Does someone have the same problem or a solution? Hans Dijkman steadiHD Media Productions www.steadihd.com

June 8th, 2008, 01:06 PM	#78
Ian Campbell Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Toronto, ON Canada Posts: 141	XY color - LCD vs. Plasma? Is anyone shooting with XY color on? If so, what do you think of this mode if you have a monitor that has this feature to view the footage on? LCD or Plasma? What do you folks prefer to view your finished projects (or any other program) on. A lot of folks prefer the plasma technology for its increased contrast ratio and greater color range . I just find plasma looks a bit pixelised compared to most of the LCD panels I've looked at. I have to quickly replace a faulty 42" LCD TV / monitor within a day or two. Any input, recommendations etc. would be appreciated. Also, it would be cool to know what other Z7U shooters and editors prefer and use. Thanks! Ian

June 8th, 2008, 01:12 PM	#79
Barry Wilkinson Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Grange over Sands UK Posts: 99	I had a DSR 570 before my 270 and I thought the 570 was good in low light, but after a couple of weddings now( in summer) I think the 270 is probably as good in low light . The maximum gain I have used so far is 9db but havent seen the end result yet..it looked OK on the cameras LCD screen. On a sunny day yesterday I had to go to filter 4( no gain) to compensate for the amout of light. I should have set position one to negative gain rather than zero. No complaints then about sensitivity but the eyepiece viewfinder is rubbish in my opinion( compared with the 570's tube) __________________ Cameraman BBC and ITV since 1966

June 11th, 2008, 02:27 PM	#81
Scott Cantrell Sponsor: TapeWorks Texas Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 357	Tapeworks Texas Inc HVRZ7U Summer Special Tapeworks is having a Summer promotion for the HVRZ7U camcorder that will be valid through August 31, 2008! Sony HVRZ7U HDV Camcorder with Interchangeable Lens Capability, 1/3" Exmor CMOS Sensors Kit Includes: AC-VQ1050 Adapter/Charger, NP-F570 infoLITHIUM Rechargeable Battery Pack, CR2025 Lithium Battery, A/V Connecting Cable, Component Video Cable, Lens Hood with Cover, Shoe Adapter, Shoe Kit, Eye Cup, RMT-831 Wireless Remote Commander, ECM-XM1 Monaural Electolet Condenser Microphone, Operating Instructions, HVR-MRC1 Memory Recording Unit Kit, 1-Year Parts and Labor Warranty Tapeworks Summer Promotion Price: $5,459.00 Contact Tapeworks Texas Inc Toll free 866-827-3489 for a customized quotation! Best Regards, Scott Cantrell Tapeworks Texas Inc - HDVinfo Sponser tapeworksscott@sbcglobal.net

June 8th, 2008, 03:04 PM	#80
Luc De Wandel Major Player Join Date: May 2008 Location: Knokke-Heist, Belgium Posts: 963	I saw some HD-footage of my Z7 on a Sony full-HD LCD-tv (PAL) and that is stunning.

June 11th, 2008, 02:49 PM	#82
Keith Forman Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Williamstown Mass Posts: 192	That's about what I paid ($5479) from an authorized dealer (that I am not allow to mention) on February 20th of this year. kdbf

June 12th, 2008, 06:13 AM	#83
Hans Dijkman Tourist Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Almere Posts: 2	s270 capture prest in Final Cut Studio 2 I can't get my s270 working in Final Cut with FireWire because the capture preset isn't right. Does anyone know the right one? HDV 1080 50i Last edited by Hans Dijkman; June 12th, 2008 at 06:50 AM.

June 15th, 2008, 10:59 PM	#84
Ryan Valle Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: North Hills, CA Posts: 40	Camera Comparison Hi, I've been reading up on this forum and found it to be a great source of information based on user experience. Right now, I am looking around to buy a camera for event videography and its come down to two choices for me: XH-A1 or Z7U. I've tried looking for a comparison of the two cameras on multiple sites, but cant seem to find one. The biggest factor for me is low light. Z7U users reported really good low light performance, but XH-A1 has varying reports of low light performance. I've heard some users complain about its lowlight while others say its really good. Has anybody done a side by side comparison of this? I'd love to see it.

June 17th, 2008, 03:22 PM	#85
Forrest Burger Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Vancouver, WA Posts: 86	CF/Tape Timecode Match Here's a scenario I'm curious about...shooting with a Z7 and editing with FCP: 1. Record to card(s) and tape(s) simultaneously. 2. Edit a project native HDV using the card(s)...essentially offline. 3. Re-batch through either HDMI or HD-SDI...edit/conform/color correct same project in ProRes HQ, essentially on-line. Will the timecode match in this case? There wouldn't be lot of quick starts and stops when recording. My work is corporate and for broadcast. I've come to like ProRes HQ. It's 10 bit and seems to hold up much better to graphics and color correction. I know similar work flows have been talked about here, but I don't remember ever seeing a definitive answer. Thanks, Forrest

June 18th, 2008, 11:08 AM	#86
Jason LeFrense Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Sydney Canada Posts: 126	HDV to tape 4:3 SD to CF work flow Can anyone let me know the setup for recording HDV to tape and SD 4:3 to CF on the Z7. I will be shooting a wedding this weekend and the final product will be SD. I would like to have the tape HDV for backup and future demo reel material. Thanks Jason

June 18th, 2008, 11:15 AM	#87
Jason LeFrense Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Sydney Canada Posts: 126	Hey Folks I finally found the thread thanks. But if anyone has any tips I should know when doing this please let me know. Thanks Jason

June 20th, 2008, 04:30 PM	#88
Ryan Valle Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: North Hills, CA Posts: 40	Z7 Progressive Question I've read a lot about how the Z7's way of recording 24p is different and wont play back on older decks such as the M15U or GV-HD700. Is this the case when also recording in 30p? Also, I noticed that there are 2 types of 24p stated in the Z7 online manual. Whats the difference between the two?

June 21st, 2008, 03:53 PM	#89
Zoltan Lorincz New Boot Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Aiud, Romania Posts: 17	HVR-Z7 Tape vs. CF card recording -reation time Just tested, how fast can you start recording on tape and on CF card Here are my test results: 1.If the camcorder is turned off: Tape rec. stars in 9 sec. MRU rec. starts in 15 sec. 2.If the camcorder is turned on and you push the rec. button Tape rec. stars in 1 sec. MRU rec. starts in 1 sec. 3. If during recording push the rec. button twice (sop, start again) Tape rec. restars in 6 sec. MRU rec. restarts in 5 sec. 4. In sand by after a time (3min) the "STBY" sign disappears Tape rec. restars in 6 sec. MRU rec. starts in 1 sec. These times are just for one type of recording (not synchronous mode)

July 7th, 2008, 10:30 AM	#90
Chad Dyle Major Player Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 410	Z7U CF Recorder + HV30 + Glidecam 4000 I'm going to attach (not sure how) my Compact Flash recorder from my Z7U to my Canon HV30. I then plan on attaching all of that to my Glidecam 4000. Any idea on the best way to attach the CF unit to the HV30? The CF reader has a mounting hole on the bottom (as well as the HV30), but whats the best way to do this? __________________ www.chaddyle.com www.chaddyleproductions.com