2 new Sony HDV cams with interchangeable lens

Heath McKnight · October 12th, 2007, 09:41 PM

Bypass the HDV codec via HDMI and you have a winner. When the IOHD comes out, that'll be key, along with a 35mm lens and adaptor.

heath

Paul Jefferies · October 17th, 2007, 01:43 PM

...Or at least the mock ups, which were in a glass case at the IOV show in Coventry and so couldn't be handled.

Interestingly, one of the Sony guys said that the mount is "probably" the same mount as used on the JVC GY-HDxxx range, so all lenses and adaptors which fit that cam will fit these (as I say, the camera couldn't be touched so I couldn't confirm this, although they had a display of lenses in the cabinet with the cameras, and one of those was the stock fujinon which you get with the JVC).

Also the big shoulder camera has HD-SDI and 4 channel audio, whereas the small one doesn't. They are both 3 chip, the shoulder held camera will take both large and small tapes, also the UK "guestimate" price is around £5K for the shoulder mounted and probably under £4K for the smaller camera.

Oh yes, and they had the EX there too, but I couldn't get my hands on it as too many people were queueing up... all I can say is it looked nice from a distance

edit: oh yes, they didn't appear to have names yet, either (not as far as I can tell) so thats why I refer to them as the big shoulder camera and the small one...

Kieran James · October 21st, 2007, 03:21 AM

Thanks for that info Paul. Was there any indication of when these two cams would be available in the UK?

Paul Jefferies · October 21st, 2007, 04:17 AM

The handheld camera was 4th Quarter 2007, the Shoulder held (I think) was 1st quarter 2008.

Jack Zhang · October 21st, 2007, 04:42 AM

I really wished these cams had the Exmor chips instead of ClearVid. But who knows...

Heath McKnight · October 21st, 2007, 08:31 AM

The exmor chips are explained here, and they are CMOS. They're in Sony DSLRs, and I think there is a version of one, if not the same chip, in the new Nikon DSLRs (D3 and D300):

http://photography.suite101.com/arti...nthusiast_dslr

heath

Jack Zhang · October 21st, 2007, 04:02 PM

I'm talking about the Exmors currently in the EX1. That's what's needed for these models.

Heath McKnight · October 21st, 2007, 04:32 PM

Jack,

I hear ya, but I'm wondering if they can take those sensors and adapt them for video use. I'm pleased, no matter what, that the sensors are 1/2 inch.

heath

Brian Standing · October 21st, 2007, 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Heath McKnight

Jack,

I hear ya, but I'm wondering if they can take those sensors and adapt them for video use. I'm pleased, no matter what, that the sensors are 1/2 inch.

heath

I'm sorry, Heath. I'm confused. Which camera(s) are we talking about? The SLR, or the new Sony video cameras (which I'm pretty sure are listed as 1/3" CMOS, not 1/2".)

Or did I miss a design change somewhere?

Heath McKnight · October 21st, 2007, 10:04 PM

The EX is 1/2"; I hear the new DLSR's CMOS chip is incredible and like Jack, I would love to see a video camera version.

heath

Jack Zhang · October 21st, 2007, 11:38 PM

If Sony goes more in-depth into the 4k and above market, there's no doubt that a 4K cam from Sony might come soon with an adapted version of the Exmors.

Oh, and just in case you got confused when I said Exmor in the EX1, here's a picture that might clear that up: http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/do...21/sony_60.jpg

From the article: http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/do...70921/sony.htm (Japanese)

John Mitchell · October 23rd, 2007, 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paulo Teixeira

I find it a bit awkward that the handheld HDV camera has an interchangeable lens but the EX1 doesn’t unless Sony is also going to show an EX2 soon.

Since the EX1 cost around 7,000 to 7,500 dollars with 2 cards, I would estimate the HDV model at 5,000 to 5,500 dollars. The Z1u was around 5,500 when it first came out.

Now where is Canon and Panasonic when you need them? It’s their turn to show us new cameras and they better do it quick because Sony is about to get a lot of preorders.

The EX is a whole different beast - the broadcast ENG style lens on that baby actually takes up most of the camera body - the sensors and electronics only account for the last 2 - 3 inches of the camera body. Hence interchangeable would not be possible as much of the lens mechanics are built structually into the body of the camera.

Heath McKnight · October 23rd, 2007, 11:39 AM

Has Sony announced these two HDV cameras in the US yet? If not, wow...they announced the V1e in September last year, then the V1u in US by October or so.

heath

Rodrigo Gil Medina · October 23rd, 2007, 10:32 PM

Any news about the pricing?

Hans Ledel · October 29th, 2007, 11:55 AM

Here is some more info.

http://www.sonybiz.net/res/attachmen...7079494747.pdf

October 12th, 2007, 09:41 PM	#46
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	Bypass the HDV codec via HDMI and you have a winner. When the IOHD comes out, that'll be key, along with a 35mm lens and adaptor. heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

October 17th, 2007, 01:43 PM	#47
Paul Jefferies Major Player Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Croydon, England Posts: 277	I saw these cameras today... ...Or at least the mock ups, which were in a glass case at the IOV show in Coventry and so couldn't be handled. Interestingly, one of the Sony guys said that the mount is "probably" the same mount as used on the JVC GY-HDxxx range, so all lenses and adaptors which fit that cam will fit these (as I say, the camera couldn't be touched so I couldn't confirm this, although they had a display of lenses in the cabinet with the cameras, and one of those was the stock fujinon which you get with the JVC). Also the big shoulder camera has HD-SDI and 4 channel audio, whereas the small one doesn't. They are both 3 chip, the shoulder held camera will take both large and small tapes, also the UK "guestimate" price is around £5K for the shoulder mounted and probably under £4K for the smaller camera. Oh yes, and they had the EX there too, but I couldn't get my hands on it as too many people were queueing up... all I can say is it looked nice from a distance edit: oh yes, they didn't appear to have names yet, either (not as far as I can tell) so thats why I refer to them as the big shoulder camera and the small one...

October 21st, 2007, 08:31 AM	#51
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	The exmor chips are explained here, and they are CMOS. They're in Sony DSLRs, and I think there is a version of one, if not the same chip, in the new Nikon DSLRs (D3 and D300): http://photography.suite101.com/arti...nthusiast_dslr heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

October 21st, 2007, 04:32 PM	#53
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	Jack, I hear ya, but I'm wondering if they can take those sensors and adapt them for video use. I'm pleased, no matter what, that the sensors are 1/2 inch. heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

October 21st, 2007, 10:04 PM	#55
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	The EX is 1/2"; I hear the new DLSR's CMOS chip is incredible and like Jack, I would love to see a video camera version. heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

October 21st, 2007, 03:21 AM	#48
Kieran James New Boot Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: London, UK Posts: 8	Thanks for that info Paul. Was there any indication of when these two cams would be available in the UK?

October 21st, 2007, 04:17 AM	#49
Paul Jefferies Major Player Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Croydon, England Posts: 277	The handheld camera was 4th Quarter 2007, the Shoulder held (I think) was 1st quarter 2008.

October 21st, 2007, 04:42 AM	#50
Jack Zhang Inner Circle Join Date: May 2005 Location: Burnaby, BC, Canada Posts: 3,053	I really wished these cams had the Exmor chips instead of ClearVid. But who knows...

October 21st, 2007, 04:02 PM	#52
Jack Zhang Inner Circle Join Date: May 2005 Location: Burnaby, BC, Canada Posts: 3,053	I'm talking about the Exmors currently in the EX1. That's what's needed for these models.

October 21st, 2007, 11:38 PM	#56
Jack Zhang Inner Circle Join Date: May 2005 Location: Burnaby, BC, Canada Posts: 3,053	If Sony goes more in-depth into the 4k and above market, there's no doubt that a 4K cam from Sony might come soon with an adapted version of the Exmors. Oh, and just in case you got confused when I said Exmor in the EX1, here's a picture that might clear that up: http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/do...21/sony_60.jpg From the article: http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/do...70921/sony.htm (Japanese)

October 23rd, 2007, 11:39 AM	#58
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	Has Sony announced these two HDV cameras in the US yet? If not, wow...they announced the V1e in September last year, then the V1u in US by October or so. heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

October 23rd, 2007, 10:32 PM	#59
Rodrigo Gil Medina Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Vancouver, B.C., Canada. Posts: 52	Pricing? Any news about the pricing? __________________ www.8cho.com.mx

October 29th, 2007, 11:55 AM	#60
Hans Ledel Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Stockholm Sweden Posts: 184	Here is some more info. http://www.sonybiz.net/res/attachmen...7079494747.pdf __________________ Remember, that English is my second language.