Where to after the Z5...

Gerald Webb · September 18th, 2014, 03:39 PM

Hello again fellow Z5 lovers :)
Keen to get some opinions on this new cam
First Look: New Panasonic HC-X1000 4K Camcorder, Packed with Professional Features | explora

Feature wise, this one looks the goods. Few people are saying that the sensor is weak though.

I say again, my Z5 in good light is everything I want, would the X1000 be better in low light though, or similarly noisy to the Z5?

I mainly do event type stuff and an occasional wedding so dont need uncompressed/ prores 444 etc.
Just a pleasing image.

I still find the image from the Z5 gorgeous, did this last weekend and got rave reviews from the Mums and Dads. Sometimes the venues are darker though.... :(

All opinions greatly appreciated

Leslie Wand · September 18th, 2014, 03:58 PM

well if i do pull the trigger it's going to be either the pmw 180, or preferably the 200 with its 1/2" chips.

Gerald Webb · September 18th, 2014, 04:10 PM

Yep. The 200 was the dream. But the next price bracket too.
Although, if the x1000 ends up being 4.5k then 6k for the 200 is a no brainer.

Leslie Wand · May 3rd, 2015, 04:06 AM

ok, raking over an old thread...

pulled the trigger on a low hours 2nd hand ex1. at $3k it seems the best option for MY work. i reckon i'll put my z5 on ebay for a starting figure of $1750 AU and see what happens.

what it all really boiled down to in the end was practicality:

a. no stuffing around with unknown cameras and their quirks and idiosyncrasies

b. ditto accessorising them for MY type of production, eg, decent audio, shooting style (not that the ex1 is hand held friendly)

c. cheap media - using an sxs adapter to record to cheap sd cards which i can send to the client in a rotational manner

d. familiarity of controls etc.,

e. stunning pics - my z5 pics weren't at all bad, but they weren't broadcast quality. ie. discovery, abc, etc.,

f. and serviceable locally (well sydney) by both techs and or sony themselves.

g. NOT avchd

we'll see how it goes. i'll still dream on about arri's, etc., but in reality $3K rings all the right bells ;-)

Mark Whittle · May 7th, 2015, 06:52 PM

Hi Leslie,

Post back when you sell the Z5. I am thinking of selling mine. I also have the CF card recorder and will likely sell that with it. I just don't know what to ask for it.

Cheers,

Mark

Leslie Wand · May 8th, 2015, 12:53 AM

a client of mine just bought it - $2k with mrck1. if i's ebay'ed it i would have put a res of $1750 and expected around (optimistically) $2250>2500.

it was in excellent working and COSMETIC condition. i stress the cosmetic cause a lot of people are put off by missing lettering, scratches, dings, etc.,

i also threw in 4 batteries (960 copies) and a couple of 16gb class 10 cards.

good luck with selling yours. what you after next?

btw 760 hrs

Mark Whittle · May 8th, 2015, 01:41 AM

Thanks for the feedback. That's about what I'm hoping for. $2000 if possible but wasn't sure about including the mrck1. It is much more attractive with it included though. Mine's done 1006 hrs operation; 260 hrs tape. Still looks new.

I'm currently shooting weddings on GH3 & GH4 but take the Sony as a backup. DSLR style cameras are fiddly and a pain to use but with the right lenses the images are superb.

At my other job we shoot P2 (502 & 172) but we're looking at either the Sony FS7 or the new BMD Ursa Mini. I have convinced them the large sensor look is fantastic for the right client, but we still need a rugged workhorse ENG style camera for much of our work: training, inductions, corporate stuff. I really like the look of the DVX200 as that would be a great camera for weddings and a good replacement for the 172.

I hope we get the DVX200 as well so I can borrow it for weddings.

Cheers,

Mark

Leslie Wand · May 8th, 2015, 03:51 AM

hope you get what you wish for on all fronts :-)

much as i like the 'dslr' look, they are for me totally useless. if i had time to set up shots, audio, etc., etc., i might have given them more thought, but after trying a couple of times i simply gave up. a camcorder is a camcorder and a dslr is primarily designed for stills - no matter how well you dress it up.

agree the fs7 and ursa mini look very interesting - and i might well have gone down a similar route had not the cost of 'good' glass thrown me right off. also by the time you pimp out the ursa to 'eng' specs it's not looking that cheap anymore...

all the best

leslie

September 18th, 2014, 03:39 PM	#31
Gerald Webb Trustee Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Central Coast Australia Posts: 1,046	Re: Where to after the Z5... Hello again fellow Z5 lovers :) Keen to get some opinions on this new cam First Look: New Panasonic HC-X1000 4K Camcorder, Packed with Professional Features \| explora Feature wise, this one looks the goods. Few people are saying that the sensor is weak though. I say again, my Z5 in good light is everything I want, would the X1000 be better in low light though, or similarly noisy to the Z5? I mainly do event type stuff and an occasional wedding so dont need uncompressed/ prores 444 etc. Just a pleasing image. I still find the image from the Z5 gorgeous, did this last weekend and got rave reviews from the Mums and Dads. Sometimes the venues are darker though.... :( Evangeline Beal-Attwood - Swansea Dance Festival on Vimeo All opinions greatly appreciated __________________ http://vimeo.com/livewebvideo

September 18th, 2014, 03:58 PM	#32
Leslie Wand Trustee Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: upper hunter, australia Posts: 1,410	Re: Where to after the Z5... well if i do pull the trigger it's going to be either the pmw 180, or preferably the 200 with its 1/2" chips. __________________ www.lesliewand.com.au

September 18th, 2014, 04:10 PM	#33
Gerald Webb Trustee Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Central Coast Australia Posts: 1,046	Re: Where to after the Z5... Yep. The 200 was the dream. But the next price bracket too. Although, if the x1000 ends up being 4.5k then 6k for the 200 is a no brainer. __________________ http://vimeo.com/livewebvideo

May 3rd, 2015, 04:06 AM	#34
Leslie Wand Trustee Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: upper hunter, australia Posts: 1,410	Re: Where to after the Z5... ok, raking over an old thread... pulled the trigger on a low hours 2nd hand ex1. at $3k it seems the best option for MY work. i reckon i'll put my z5 on ebay for a starting figure of $1750 AU and see what happens. what it all really boiled down to in the end was practicality: a. no stuffing around with unknown cameras and their quirks and idiosyncrasies b. ditto accessorising them for MY type of production, eg, decent audio, shooting style (not that the ex1 is hand held friendly) c. cheap media - using an sxs adapter to record to cheap sd cards which i can send to the client in a rotational manner d. familiarity of controls etc., e. stunning pics - my z5 pics weren't at all bad, but they weren't broadcast quality. ie. discovery, abc, etc., f. and serviceable locally (well sydney) by both techs and or sony themselves. g. NOT avchd we'll see how it goes. i'll still dream on about arri's, etc., but in reality $3K rings all the right bells ;-) __________________ www.lesliewand.com.au

May 7th, 2015, 06:52 PM	#35
Mark Whittle Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Bunbury, Western Australia Posts: 153	Re: Where to after the Z5... Hi Leslie, Post back when you sell the Z5. I am thinking of selling mine. I also have the CF card recorder and will likely sell that with it. I just don't know what to ask for it. Cheers, Mark __________________ MW

May 8th, 2015, 12:53 AM	#36
Leslie Wand Trustee Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: upper hunter, australia Posts: 1,410	Re: Where to after the Z5... a client of mine just bought it - $2k with mrck1. if i's ebay'ed it i would have put a res of $1750 and expected around (optimistically) $2250>2500. it was in excellent working and COSMETIC condition. i stress the cosmetic cause a lot of people are put off by missing lettering, scratches, dings, etc., i also threw in 4 batteries (960 copies) and a couple of 16gb class 10 cards. good luck with selling yours. what you after next? btw 760 hrs __________________ www.lesliewand.com.au

May 8th, 2015, 01:41 AM	#37
Mark Whittle Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Bunbury, Western Australia Posts: 153	Re: Where to after the Z5... Thanks for the feedback. That's about what I'm hoping for. $2000 if possible but wasn't sure about including the mrck1. It is much more attractive with it included though. Mine's done 1006 hrs operation; 260 hrs tape. Still looks new. I'm currently shooting weddings on GH3 & GH4 but take the Sony as a backup. DSLR style cameras are fiddly and a pain to use but with the right lenses the images are superb. At my other job we shoot P2 (502 & 172) but we're looking at either the Sony FS7 or the new BMD Ursa Mini. I have convinced them the large sensor look is fantastic for the right client, but we still need a rugged workhorse ENG style camera for much of our work: training, inductions, corporate stuff. I really like the look of the DVX200 as that would be a great camera for weddings and a good replacement for the 172. I hope we get the DVX200 as well so I can borrow it for weddings. Cheers, Mark __________________ MW Last edited by Mark Whittle; May 8th, 2015 at 01:45 AM. Reason: added comment

May 8th, 2015, 03:51 AM	#38
Leslie Wand Trustee Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: upper hunter, australia Posts: 1,410	Re: Where to after the Z5... hope you get what you wish for on all fronts :-) much as i like the 'dslr' look, they are for me totally useless. if i had time to set up shots, audio, etc., etc., i might have given them more thought, but after trying a couple of times i simply gave up. a camcorder is a camcorder and a dslr is primarily designed for stills - no matter how well you dress it up. agree the fs7 and ursa mini look very interesting - and i might well have gone down a similar route had not the cost of 'good' glass thrown me right off. also by the time you pimp out the ursa to 'eng' specs it's not looking that cheap anymore... all the best leslie __________________ www.lesliewand.com.au