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Luie Dalmasy Jr. · November 21st, 2009, 03:06 AM

hey everyone!
So I'm working on my first music video with my FX1000 on Sunday and I am very excited!
The video is actually for my band (10zero)

I did some test shooting today at the location because I noticed it was a little dark in there and just as I suspected the camera made the room look a lot brighter but I also got this grainy look.. like little tiny dots were jumping all over the place.
I thought i would go to Home Depot and pick up some lights. They are pretty nice and only ran me $6 each. I think they are on sale or something. ANYWAY
in my video there will be a bunch of amazing kids break dancing! and I mean these kids are amazing! I will post my video up here when I'm done.

my question is... do you guys think I should shoot it at 24p or 30p?
I'm in the middle of encoding the test footage now and maybe I'll even upload that too later on.

I know these kids are really fast doing headspins and stuff (You'll see) so I wanted to make sure I get the better frame rate to record them on.

also I noticed on premiere there is no preset for 1080i 24p SCAN there are things like 1081 25.??? or 1080i 29.???

should I go into the settings and try to change it to match my cameras 1080i 24p?
if so, any tips?

Thanks and I'll be sure to upload the test footage later! :)

Jeff Harper · November 21st, 2009, 06:58 AM

30p, not 24p. Keep your camera steady as possible with 30p, on a tripod whenever possible.

Go to camera menu to AGC setting and limit your gain to 12dB to get rid of the grain.

Adam Gold · November 21st, 2009, 10:59 AM

For fast motion you should be shooting 60i.

Jeff Harper · November 21st, 2009, 11:51 AM

I agree with Adam, but you didn't ask about 60i, you asked about 24p and 30p. 30p is the lesser of the two evils.

For the web you can process 60i to progressive, not a big deal.

Luie Dalmasy Jr. · November 22nd, 2009, 12:22 AM

you guys are the best!
Ok so my video with the really slow moving things I'll shoot on 30p
and for the quick break dancing kids I'll shoot on 60i

but I'm also having an issue with premiere. i can't find my exact camera setting for capturing or exporting...

Luie Dalmasy Jr. · November 22nd, 2009, 12:25 AM

1 more thing... when would i use 24p?

Ron Evans · November 22nd, 2009, 07:35 AM

"1 more thing... when would i use 24p? "

When you want to transfer to film.

Ron Evans

Adam Gold · November 22nd, 2009, 01:43 PM

...which for most people means "never."

Don't shoot 30p on the same video as 60i. There's no reason to, no benefit at all, and it may make Premiere throw up. Just shoot 60i and use the 1440 x 1080 60i preset in Premiere. Make your life as easy as possible while editing, and then if you really want to, you can deinterlace the whole thing on export. But really, there's no reason to do this either, unless you really like the look.

Luie Dalmasy Jr. · November 22nd, 2009, 08:52 PM

lol Ok so I'll stick with not shooting in 24 or 30p for now.
So when capturing is this good?

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2786/...640078f8_o.png

Adam Gold · November 22nd, 2009, 11:56 PM

Yep. That's the one.

Luie Dalmasy Jr. · November 23rd, 2009, 02:01 AM

thanks a lot Adam. I just shot something in Low light and it was looking really crazy on my computer screen... I got all of these lines across the screen when anything moved (Not sure what this is called) and then I even got this waving looking effect like I was shooting under water lol

I linked the footage over to Encore and burned a DVD and it looked much better... not as sharp as I was hoping for though

Rob Morse · November 23rd, 2009, 12:35 PM

Might be your graphics card. Have you edited HDV prior to the FX1000?

Luie Dalmasy Jr. · November 23rd, 2009, 01:57 PM

yea you know I was thinking that.
No I have not.
I have a macbook pro

13-inch: 2.26GHz
Intel Core 2 Duo
2GB Memory
NVIDIA GeForce 9400M graphics

I'm going to get 4GB of ram next month.

So if my graphics card is not good enough will this effect the output to another source like DVD or is it only going to effects the way it shows up on my screen?

Adam Gold · November 23rd, 2009, 02:12 PM

Neither Premiere nor Encore uses your graphics card for much of anything other than display. It won't affect your DVDs. But your card should be fine.

The effects you are describing might just be a limitation of your monitor. HDV is meant to be displayed on HDTVs, not PC monitors. But can't know for sure unless we see it.

You do know that DVDs are not Hi Def, right? So they won't be as sharp as what you shot?

Luie Dalmasy Jr. · November 23rd, 2009, 07:59 PM

Yea Adam it's kind of dumb lol I'm trying to figure out the best way to output my films. I think DVD would have to be the best for now. but I mean... why bother shooting in HD then. Future proof? ... I donno

November 21st, 2009, 03:06 AM	#1
Luie Dalmasy Jr. New Boot Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: North Hollywood, California Posts: 19	FX1000 & Premiere hey everyone! So I'm working on my first music video with my FX1000 on Sunday and I am very excited! The video is actually for my band (10zero) I did some test shooting today at the location because I noticed it was a little dark in there and just as I suspected the camera made the room look a lot brighter but I also got this grainy look.. like little tiny dots were jumping all over the place. I thought i would go to Home Depot and pick up some lights. They are pretty nice and only ran me $6 each. I think they are on sale or something. ANYWAY in my video there will be a bunch of amazing kids break dancing! and I mean these kids are amazing! I will post my video up here when I'm done. my question is... do you guys think I should shoot it at 24p or 30p? I'm in the middle of encoding the test footage now and maybe I'll even upload that too later on. I know these kids are really fast doing headspins and stuff (You'll see) so I wanted to make sure I get the better frame rate to record them on. also I noticed on premiere there is no preset for 1080i 24p SCAN there are things like 1081 25.??? or 1080i 29.??? should I go into the settings and try to change it to match my cameras 1080i 24p? if so, any tips? Thanks and I'll be sure to upload the test footage later! :)

November 22nd, 2009, 12:22 AM	#5
Luie Dalmasy Jr. New Boot Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: North Hollywood, California Posts: 19	ohh you guys are the best! Ok so my video with the really slow moving things I'll shoot on 30p and for the quick break dancing kids I'll shoot on 60i but I'm also having an issue with premiere. i can't find my exact camera setting for capturing or exporting...

November 22nd, 2009, 12:25 AM	#6
Luie Dalmasy Jr. New Boot Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: North Hollywood, California Posts: 19	1 1 more thing... when would i use 24p?

November 22nd, 2009, 08:52 PM	#9
Luie Dalmasy Jr. New Boot Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: North Hollywood, California Posts: 19	. lol Ok so I'll stick with not shooting in 24 or 30p for now. So when capturing is this good? http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2786/...640078f8_o.png

November 23rd, 2009, 02:01 AM	#11
Luie Dalmasy Jr. New Boot Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: North Hollywood, California Posts: 19	Hey thanks a lot Adam. I just shot something in Low light and it was looking really crazy on my computer screen... I got all of these lines across the screen when anything moved (Not sure what this is called) and then I even got this waving looking effect like I was shooting under water lol I linked the footage over to Encore and burned a DVD and it looked much better... not as sharp as I was hoping for though

November 21st, 2009, 06:58 AM	#2
Jeff Harper Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 8,425	30p, not 24p. Keep your camera steady as possible with 30p, on a tripod whenever possible. Go to camera menu to AGC setting and limit your gain to 12dB to get rid of the grain.

November 21st, 2009, 10:59 AM	#3
Adam Gold Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Woodinville, WA USA Posts: 3,467	For fast motion you should be shooting 60i.

November 21st, 2009, 11:51 AM	#4
Jeff Harper Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 8,425	I agree with Adam, but you didn't ask about 60i, you asked about 24p and 30p. 30p is the lesser of the two evils. For the web you can process 60i to progressive, not a big deal.

November 22nd, 2009, 07:35 AM	#7
Ron Evans Inner Circle Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 4,222	"1 more thing... when would i use 24p? " When you want to transfer to film. Ron Evans

November 22nd, 2009, 01:43 PM	#8
Adam Gold Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Woodinville, WA USA Posts: 3,467	...which for most people means "never." Don't shoot 30p on the same video as 60i. There's no reason to, no benefit at all, and it may make Premiere throw up. Just shoot 60i and use the 1440 x 1080 60i preset in Premiere. Make your life as easy as possible while editing, and then if you really want to, you can deinterlace the whole thing on export. But really, there's no reason to do this either, unless you really like the look.

November 22nd, 2009, 11:56 PM	#10
Adam Gold Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Woodinville, WA USA Posts: 3,467	Yep. That's the one.

November 23rd, 2009, 12:35 PM	#12
Rob Morse Major Player Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 427	Might be your graphics card. Have you edited HDV prior to the FX1000?

November 23rd, 2009, 01:57 PM	#13
Luie Dalmasy Jr. New Boot Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: North Hollywood, California Posts: 19	. yea you know I was thinking that. No I have not. I have a macbook pro 13-inch: 2.26GHz Intel Core 2 Duo 2GB Memory NVIDIA GeForce 9400M graphics I'm going to get 4GB of ram next month. So if my graphics card is not good enough will this effect the output to another source like DVD or is it only going to effects the way it shows up on my screen?

November 23rd, 2009, 02:12 PM	#14
Adam Gold Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Woodinville, WA USA Posts: 3,467	Neither Premiere nor Encore uses your graphics card for much of anything other than display. It won't affect your DVDs. But your card should be fine. The effects you are describing might just be a limitation of your monitor. HDV is meant to be displayed on HDTVs, not PC monitors. But can't know for sure unless we see it. You do know that DVDs are not Hi Def, right? So they won't be as sharp as what you shot?

November 23rd, 2009, 07:59 PM	#15
Luie Dalmasy Jr. New Boot Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: North Hollywood, California Posts: 19	yea Yea Adam it's kind of dumb lol I'm trying to figure out the best way to output my films. I think DVD would have to be the best for now. but I mean... why bother shooting in HD then. Future proof? ... I donno