HVR-MRC1 Memory Recording for fx1000 at DVinfo.net

Dror Levi · September 9th, 2009, 08:00 PM

I am sick and tired with drop frames and the tapes work flow.
I wander if there is any fx1000 user that use the HVR-MRC1 Memory Recording.
I know you have to press record twice, once for the tapes and once for the HVR-MRC1 Memory Recording.
I would like to know how difficult it is?
Did you ever use it without tapes, strictly memory card?
Can you use the Extreme 3 instead of the Extreme IV cards?
How long does it take to download 16gb to the computer?
Thanks

Ron Wilber · September 9th, 2009, 11:28 PM

u only have to press the cam record button and the device will follow.. it's def worth the price.

John Gunther · September 10th, 2009, 05:35 AM

I believe on the FX 1000 you have to push the button on the camera and the recording unit. Just pushing the record button on the camera does not automatically start the recording unit.

Dror Levi · September 10th, 2009, 06:59 AM

Ron. Do you have it?
Did you ever use it on the fx1000?

Ron Wilber · September 10th, 2009, 10:06 PM

yeah i have one. I think the camlink feature on the device has to be enabled for it to work through the camera buttons...but yeah, I've used it with my fx1000 and it works great.

Zach Love · September 10th, 2009, 10:36 PM

I use my HVR-MRC1 w/ my Z7 almost all the time & love it.

But I have also used the MRC1 w/ a Sony Z1U for HDV which worked great, and even a Panasonic HVX200. (With the HVX you can ONLY do DV while in tape mode, the MRC1 will not do DVCPro.)

With any of them you have to check the Firewire settings. I'm not sure about the FX1000, but if it has any type of "External Device" controls, then the MRC1 will start recording when you hit the record button on the camera. No need to hit it twice!

Sebastian Pigott · September 11th, 2009, 09:23 AM

I have a Z5u, a HV20 and a HV30 and used to have a V1u, I also have two MRC1K's. You only have to press the record button on all of the cams I have listed and the MRC1K will start recording also. It works great with my HV20 and HV30, I just had to set the MRC1K to follow for them and it works like a charm. I'm pretty sure the FX1000 would work the same way. As for compact flash cards I use Sandisk Extreme 3 cards, they have had some great rebates going lately.

As for download times that's going to be dependent on your equipment. I had a cheap card reader and it took 30mins to download a full card to my laptop. I bought a expensive reader and now I can download a full 16gb card in 11mins to my laptop.

Dror Levi · September 11th, 2009, 08:46 PM

What will be the procedure if you wanted to record to the memory card only without tape in the camera?

Dirk Pel · September 12th, 2009, 03:51 AM

With my Z5 it functions fantastic, but in the handbook of the FX1000 there is nothing about EXT REC CTRL, I will not believe it functions in this way!
Dirk PEL

Adam Gold · September 12th, 2009, 10:43 AM

I haven't has a chance to test it with my FX1000 yet, but I believe you need to use the button on the MRC itself to do everything. Some claim that in FOLLOW mode you can use the cam's REC button, but this is with tape running, if I'm understanding correctly.

I'll try to test out this week and confirm all this.

Edit: Okay, just did a couple of quick experiments.

With no tape in the cam, you can/must use only the REC controls on the MRC.

With a tape in the cam, you can control the MRC via the cam's REC button if CAMLINK in ON and the unit is set to FOLLOW mode. It does not work in SYNCHRO mode. And as the manual points out, without EXT REC CTRL there is no RELAY mode possible.

This is all actually detailed quite nicely on page 9 of the manual but I just wanted to confirm, and darn it, those Sony guys are right.

For me, the whole reason for this unit is to record things that are longer than a tape, so I would never use either of those modes -- I'd always record completely independently. But note that all Sony cam's have an audio dropout via FW during a tape eject/thread, so I'll need to record audio separately even if the unit is not camlinked.

Other first impressions: With the unit mounted on the cam's accessory shoe, the whole rig becomes incredibly front-heavy, mainly due to the huge 970 batt I used; the unit itself is very light. But the manual notes that even with that useless skimpy 570 that comes with your FX1000, you can get about five hours off a single charge, so using this little batt (which you'll likely not use for anything else anyway) helps solve the weight/balance issue. In any event, you'll have to adjust how you mount/counterbalance on your tripod. And note that the unit does not come with an AC adapter, so for studio use you may wish to buy an extra one separately (and this will help with the weight issue as well). Note that these are non-issues with the Z5, as the unit attaches directly to the back of the cam and receives power that way.

Another note: The "Guide to Supported Models and Their Functions" makes it appear as if you can only use the REC button on the unit to record independently if there is no tape in the cam. Fortunately, this isn't true; if the CAMLINK is OFF, the two REC buttons function completely independently of each other, so you can record continuously in the MRC while still being about to record tape as a backup and change tapes as necessary.

If you are shooting in classic "Movie Style" with separate camera starts and stops for each scene and take, this appears to be the perfect unit. Other forms of shooting will require some workarounds.

I'm wondering if this thread should be moved to the MRC forum...

Ron Wilber · September 12th, 2009, 11:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dror Levi

What will be the procedure if you wanted to record to the memory card only without tape in the camera?

to do this you simultaniously press the two record buttons on the mrc1 unit at the same time.

as an aside, gosh, I already stated that you can control the unit with the camera multiple times, yet people still don't believe it for some reason. Yes tape does have to be in the camera.. geesh.

Marcus Martell · September 13th, 2009, 03:13 AM

Zach, how does it work with the Sony Z1?

thx a lot

Terence Murphy · September 13th, 2009, 06:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron Wilber

as an aside, gosh, I already stated that you can control the unit with the camera multiple times, yet people still don't believe it for some reason. Yes tape does have to be in the camera.. geesh.

I think the surprise in this thread comes from several previous threads that said the FX1000 had no ability to control the MRC1.

Question: running the MRC1 in FOLLOW mode, is there a delay before it registers that it should start recording, and if so, how much of a delay?

Sebastian Pigott · September 13th, 2009, 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Terence Murphy

I think the surprise in this thread comes from several previous threads that said the FX1000 had no ability to control the MRC1.

Question: running the MRC1 in FOLLOW mode, is there a delay before it registers that it should start recording, and if so, how much of a delay?

When I use it with my HV20 or HV30 I notice no delay. I was really suprised the first time I used it in follow mode of how quick it started recording.

Adam Gold · September 13th, 2009, 12:31 PM

According to the manual, up to two seconds.

September 9th, 2009, 08:00 PM	#1
Dror Levi Major Player Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Pembroke Pines FL Posts: 331	HVR-MRC1 Memory Recording for fx1000 I am sick and tired with drop frames and the tapes work flow. I wander if there is any fx1000 user that use the HVR-MRC1 Memory Recording. I know you have to press record twice, once for the tapes and once for the HVR-MRC1 Memory Recording. I would like to know how difficult it is? Did you ever use it without tapes, strictly memory card? Can you use the Extreme 3 instead of the Extreme IV cards? How long does it take to download 16gb to the computer? Thanks __________________ www.nostalgicFrames.com

September 10th, 2009, 05:35 AM	#3
John Gunther Tourist Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: British Columbia Posts: 3	recording unit I believe on the FX 1000 you have to push the button on the camera and the recording unit. Just pushing the record button on the camera does not automatically start the recording unit.

September 10th, 2009, 06:59 AM	#4
Dror Levi Major Player Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Pembroke Pines FL Posts: 331	Ron. Do you have it? Did you ever use it on the fx1000? __________________ www.nostalgicFrames.com

September 10th, 2009, 10:36 PM	#6
Zach Love Major Player Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 944	I use my HVR-MRC1 w/ my Z7 almost all the time & love it. But I have also used the MRC1 w/ a Sony Z1U for HDV which worked great, and even a Panasonic HVX200. (With the HVX you can ONLY do DV while in tape mode, the MRC1 will not do DVCPro.) With any of them you have to check the Firewire settings. I'm not sure about the FX1000, but if it has any type of "External Device" controls, then the MRC1 will start recording when you hit the record button on the camera. No need to hit it twice! __________________ Nothing says you're a serious video maker like S-VHS

September 11th, 2009, 08:46 PM	#8
Dror Levi Major Player Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Pembroke Pines FL Posts: 331	What will be the procedure if you wanted to record to the memory card only without tape in the camera? __________________ www.nostalgicFrames.com

September 9th, 2009, 11:28 PM	#2
Ron Wilber Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 98	u only have to press the cam record button and the device will follow.. it's def worth the price.

September 10th, 2009, 10:06 PM	#5
Ron Wilber Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 98	yeah i have one. I think the camlink feature on the device has to be enabled for it to work through the camera buttons...but yeah, I've used it with my fx1000 and it works great.

September 11th, 2009, 09:23 AM	#7
Sebastian Pigott New Boot Join Date: May 2008 Location: Wilmington, N.C. Posts: 22	I have a Z5u, a HV20 and a HV30 and used to have a V1u, I also have two MRC1K's. You only have to press the record button on all of the cams I have listed and the MRC1K will start recording also. It works great with my HV20 and HV30, I just had to set the MRC1K to follow for them and it works like a charm. I'm pretty sure the FX1000 would work the same way. As for compact flash cards I use Sandisk Extreme 3 cards, they have had some great rebates going lately. As for download times that's going to be dependent on your equipment. I had a cheap card reader and it took 30mins to download a full card to my laptop. I bought a expensive reader and now I can download a full 16gb card in 11mins to my laptop.

September 12th, 2009, 03:51 AM	#9
Dirk Pel Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Karlsruhe Germany Posts: 42	With my Z5 it functions fantastic, but in the handbook of the FX1000 there is nothing about EXT REC CTRL, I will not believe it functions in this way! Dirk PEL

September 12th, 2009, 10:43 AM	#10
Adam Gold Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Woodinville, WA USA Posts: 3,467	I haven't has a chance to test it with my FX1000 yet, but I believe you need to use the button on the MRC itself to do everything. Some claim that in FOLLOW mode you can use the cam's REC button, but this is with tape running, if I'm understanding correctly. I'll try to test out this week and confirm all this. Edit: Okay, just did a couple of quick experiments. With no tape in the cam, you can/must use only the REC controls on the MRC. With a tape in the cam, you can control the MRC via the cam's REC button if CAMLINK in ON and the unit is set to FOLLOW mode. It does not work in SYNCHRO mode. And as the manual points out, without EXT REC CTRL there is no RELAY mode possible. This is all actually detailed quite nicely on page 9 of the manual but I just wanted to confirm, and darn it, those Sony guys are right. For me, the whole reason for this unit is to record things that are longer than a tape, so I would never use either of those modes -- I'd always record completely independently. But note that all Sony cam's have an audio dropout via FW during a tape eject/thread, so I'll need to record audio separately even if the unit is not camlinked. Other first impressions: With the unit mounted on the cam's accessory shoe, the whole rig becomes incredibly front-heavy, mainly due to the huge 970 batt I used; the unit itself is very light. But the manual notes that even with that useless skimpy 570 that comes with your FX1000, you can get about five hours off a single charge, so using this little batt (which you'll likely not use for anything else anyway) helps solve the weight/balance issue. In any event, you'll have to adjust how you mount/counterbalance on your tripod. And note that the unit does not come with an AC adapter, so for studio use you may wish to buy an extra one separately (and this will help with the weight issue as well). Note that these are non-issues with the Z5, as the unit attaches directly to the back of the cam and receives power that way. Another note: The "Guide to Supported Models and Their Functions" makes it appear as if you can only use the REC button on the unit to record independently if there is no tape in the cam. Fortunately, this isn't true; if the CAMLINK is OFF, the two REC buttons function completely independently of each other, so you can record continuously in the MRC while still being about to record tape as a backup and change tapes as necessary. If you are shooting in classic "Movie Style" with separate camera starts and stops for each scene and take, this appears to be the perfect unit. Other forms of shooting will require some workarounds. I'm wondering if this thread should be moved to the MRC forum... Last edited by Adam Gold; September 12th, 2009 at 02:12 PM.

September 13th, 2009, 03:13 AM	#12
Marcus Martell Trustee Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: spain Posts: 1,202	Zach, how does it work with the Sony Z1? thx a lot

September 13th, 2009, 12:31 PM	#15
Adam Gold Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Woodinville, WA USA Posts: 3,467	According to the manual, up to two seconds.