Broken FX1000 clips at DVinfo.net

Jeff Harper · March 23rd, 2009, 08:44 PM

OK, this is the second time, and at least I know to re-download the footage.

The first time this happened, just as the priest was introducing the bride and groom the clip ended, and the action picked up on the next clip, even though I never turned off the camera. I didn't know what happened when editing.

But problem appeared again this evening as the couple in this video was being introduced by the DJ for first dance, clip ended, and action picked back up on next clip, even though the cam was running continuously.

I'm re-downloading this second tape and it seems fine now, but I'll reserve judgement till it's fully captured.

Anyone know what causes this?

Adam Gold · March 23rd, 2009, 08:55 PM

You're sure Scene detect or Scene split is turned off? This is only after capture? It plays fine straight from the cam? And nothing is missing? Can you just join the clips and have it play seamlessly?

Jeff Harper · March 23rd, 2009, 08:59 PM

I'm sure scene detect is turned on, which I want, I think. Its how I've always downloaded in the past.

I just finished re-downloading the clip that was broken and this time it was fine.

I'm going to try turning off setting for fast recording, or whatever that feature is called that allows fast startup when you hit the record button, in case that has anything to do with it.

Adam Gold · March 23rd, 2009, 09:03 PM

Q.REC only affects the start of shots and wouldn't have anything to do with a single clip being split. Sounds like Scene Detect is splitting scenes where it shouldn't. There may be a way to adjust the sensitivity, or if not you may just have to turn it off. I never use scene detect but couldn't anyway if I wanted to, as Premiere won't do Scene Detect with HDV unless you have Cineform installed.

Jeff Harper · March 23rd, 2009, 09:07 PM

Thanks for your feedback, Adam. I really like scene detect, but I cannot imagine going through the busy season wondering what is and what isn't downloading properly.

But what a nightmare for multicam editing, I can't imagine having to search through clips and then match them up...uggg.

Adam Gold · March 23rd, 2009, 09:16 PM

You would never use scene detect for multicam -- you want one long take. With four cameras you only match them up once at the beginning of each clip -- four clips total. It's a breeze if you don't have a dropout anywhere.

For sports, where I have a lot of short clips, I manually mark the ins and outs and then batch capture. So I never have a time when scene detect would work for me.

How does scene detect keep you from worrying about what's capturing? If it were me (in Premiere) I'd capture the whole tape and then make subclips.

Jeff Harper · March 23rd, 2009, 09:21 PM

The worry comes from wondering if when capturing a ceremony, which is shot in one continuous clip, that it becomes split or broken where it shouldn't, as it has on me twice.

If I turned off scene detection feature then there would be no breaks of any kind anywhere.

The thing is some wedding can consist of up to 12 hours of footage. I can't imagine having to sort through, etc and make subclips, etc.

With the indidvidual clips done with scene detection, I find the shots of about the same length from the different cams and it is a breezed to match them up.

Adam Gold · March 23rd, 2009, 09:30 PM

You can tell I don't do weddings.... I'm still having a little trouble figuring out your exact workflow. But you might want to consider capturing without scene detect and see if the problem goes away, or if it's something else.

Jeff Harper · March 23rd, 2009, 09:35 PM

I worded something wrong, or something, but I know what you mean...and I've clarified in my previous post what I meant.

Ken Ross · March 24th, 2009, 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Harper

I'm sure scene detect is turned on, which I want, I think. Its how I've always downloaded in the past.

I just finished re-downloading the clip that was broken and this time it was fine.

I'm going to try turning off setting for fast recording, or whatever that feature is called that allows fast startup when you hit the record button, in case that has anything to do with it.

Jeff, if you re-downloaded the clip and it came out fine the 2nd time, your camera setting had nothing to do with it. If the setting broke the clip, it would have been broken the 1st, 2nd and 3rd time.

I'll bet it was the editing software during the capture process.

Ken Ross · March 24th, 2009, 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Harper

The worry comes from wondering if when capturing a ceremony, which is shot in one continuous clip, that it becomes split or broken where it shouldn't, as it has on me twice.

I'm assuming your HD is NTFS and not FAT32. If you have a long clip and are using the older file system, you will run in to problems with long clips. Again, this is a computer issue as opposed to a camera setting issue.

Jeff Harper · March 24th, 2009, 10:17 PM

I don't know what it was at this point. It could be Vegas, or it could be auto scene detect, or something else.

The first wedding it happened on it will not download correctly despite repeated attempts. I'm guessing it is a camera issue, as it seems in the first incident the clip is "broken" on the tape.

Jo Ouwejan · March 25th, 2009, 04:02 AM

In that case, you should be able to see the break when playing the tape over tv. I do not think it is Vegas. I use it myself and I never saw that happen. Are you sure your HD is NTFS formatted? Sorry, this has been asked before, but I see no response on that.
FAT32 disks break at 2GB file size.

Jeff Harper · March 25th, 2009, 07:06 AM

Yes, my discs are NTFS Jo. I haven't played it on the TV yet, good idea. Actually, just playing it back and watching it on the LCD should be the same.

The incident in question happened during my first shoot with the camera, has never before happened in Vegas, so I tend to think it is the camera. I will play it back when I return to the studio and see what is what. Thanks Jo.

Jeff Harper · April 12th, 2009, 07:32 AM

I am editing another wedding that was shot on FX1000 and I'm having a slew of audio dropouts. This was shot SD 4:3.

I am beginning to feel certain the original issue I posted about was due to a camera malfunction.

At this point sending it to Sony is likely the only thing to do.

As stated before I use only new tapes and the same kind always. This is not a happy finding.

March 23rd, 2009, 08:44 PM	#1
Jeff Harper Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 8,425	Broken FX1000 clips OK, this is the second time, and at least I know to re-download the footage. The first time this happened, just as the priest was introducing the bride and groom the clip ended, and the action picked up on the next clip, even though I never turned off the camera. I didn't know what happened when editing. But problem appeared again this evening as the couple in this video was being introduced by the DJ for first dance, clip ended, and action picked back up on next clip, even though the cam was running continuously. I'm re-downloading this second tape and it seems fine now, but I'll reserve judgement till it's fully captured. Anyone know what causes this?

March 23rd, 2009, 08:55 PM	#2
Adam Gold Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Woodinville, WA USA Posts: 3,467	You're sure Scene detect or Scene split is turned off? This is only after capture? It plays fine straight from the cam? And nothing is missing? Can you just join the clips and have it play seamlessly?

March 23rd, 2009, 08:59 PM	#3
Jeff Harper Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 8,425	I'm sure scene detect is turned on, which I want, I think. Its how I've always downloaded in the past. I just finished re-downloading the clip that was broken and this time it was fine. I'm going to try turning off setting for fast recording, or whatever that feature is called that allows fast startup when you hit the record button, in case that has anything to do with it.

March 23rd, 2009, 09:03 PM	#4
Adam Gold Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Woodinville, WA USA Posts: 3,467	Q.REC only affects the start of shots and wouldn't have anything to do with a single clip being split. Sounds like Scene Detect is splitting scenes where it shouldn't. There may be a way to adjust the sensitivity, or if not you may just have to turn it off. I never use scene detect but couldn't anyway if I wanted to, as Premiere won't do Scene Detect with HDV unless you have Cineform installed.

March 23rd, 2009, 09:07 PM	#5
Jeff Harper Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 8,425	Thanks for your feedback, Adam. I really like scene detect, but I cannot imagine going through the busy season wondering what is and what isn't downloading properly. But what a nightmare for multicam editing, I can't imagine having to search through clips and then match them up...uggg.

March 23rd, 2009, 09:16 PM	#6
Adam Gold Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Woodinville, WA USA Posts: 3,467	You would never use scene detect for multicam -- you want one long take. With four cameras you only match them up once at the beginning of each clip -- four clips total. It's a breeze if you don't have a dropout anywhere. For sports, where I have a lot of short clips, I manually mark the ins and outs and then batch capture. So I never have a time when scene detect would work for me. How does scene detect keep you from worrying about what's capturing? If it were me (in Premiere) I'd capture the whole tape and then make subclips.

March 23rd, 2009, 09:21 PM	#7
Jeff Harper Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 8,425	The worry comes from wondering if when capturing a ceremony, which is shot in one continuous clip, that it becomes split or broken where it shouldn't, as it has on me twice. If I turned off scene detection feature then there would be no breaks of any kind anywhere. The thing is some wedding can consist of up to 12 hours of footage. I can't imagine having to sort through, etc and make subclips, etc. With the indidvidual clips done with scene detection, I find the shots of about the same length from the different cams and it is a breezed to match them up.

March 23rd, 2009, 09:30 PM	#8
Adam Gold Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Woodinville, WA USA Posts: 3,467	You can tell I don't do weddings.... I'm still having a little trouble figuring out your exact workflow. But you might want to consider capturing without scene detect and see if the problem goes away, or if it's something else.

March 23rd, 2009, 09:35 PM	#9
Jeff Harper Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 8,425	I worded something wrong, or something, but I know what you mean...and I've clarified in my previous post what I meant.

March 24th, 2009, 10:17 PM	#12
Jeff Harper Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 8,425	I don't know what it was at this point. It could be Vegas, or it could be auto scene detect, or something else. The first wedding it happened on it will not download correctly despite repeated attempts. I'm guessing it is a camera issue, as it seems in the first incident the clip is "broken" on the tape.

March 25th, 2009, 04:02 AM	#13
Jo Ouwejan Major Player Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Veenendaal, Holland Posts: 225	In that case, you should be able to see the break when playing the tape over tv. I do not think it is Vegas. I use it myself and I never saw that happen. Are you sure your HD is NTFS formatted? Sorry, this has been asked before, but I see no response on that. FAT32 disks break at 2GB file size.

March 25th, 2009, 07:06 AM	#14
Jeff Harper Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 8,425	Yes, my discs are NTFS Jo. I haven't played it on the TV yet, good idea. Actually, just playing it back and watching it on the LCD should be the same. The incident in question happened during my first shoot with the camera, has never before happened in Vegas, so I tend to think it is the camera. I will play it back when I return to the studio and see what is what. Thanks Jo.

April 12th, 2009, 07:32 AM	#15
Jeff Harper Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 8,425	I am editing another wedding that was shot on FX1000 and I'm having a slew of audio dropouts. This was shot SD 4:3. I am beginning to feel certain the original issue I posted about was due to a camera malfunction. At this point sending it to Sony is likely the only thing to do. As stated before I use only new tapes and the same kind always. This is not a happy finding.