FX1000 Sample Clips

Roy Gates · February 22nd, 2009, 12:50 AM

Cool!

Looks like a nice place.

Jeff Harper · February 22nd, 2009, 07:14 AM

I like that clip a lot, very well shot.

Cesar Ruiz · April 15th, 2009, 08:28 AM

Barron,

Do you mean to tell me that you shot HDV 24 fps with the FX1000, then you imported the video using Vegas 8.0c onto a 24p timeline...

And

the clips show up as 24p? I'm just curious because I'm looking to get an FX1000 and this sounds great.

Barron Thompson · April 15th, 2009, 03:07 PM

Yes
I shot 24pSCAN mode on the FX1000 and brought the clips onto the timeline. Project Properties were:
Template: HDV 1080-24p (1440x1080, 23.976 fps)
And indeed, there were 24 individual frames for every one second of footage.

Tim Akin · April 16th, 2009, 06:27 AM

Barren,

When you go to the clips properties, is it progressive or interlaced?

Todd Clark · April 16th, 2009, 07:13 AM

Do you have a red bar above the timeline when you drop the footage in? If so it needs rendered and does not match the timeline settings.

Barron Thompson · April 16th, 2009, 10:58 AM

@Tim: The Field order in the project properties template is None (progressive scan). The clip itself (in the project media) is 29.970 fps and the field order is Upper field first.

@Todd: There's no red bar.

Tim Akin · April 17th, 2009, 08:23 AM

That's where I get confused Barron. Some of us have had this discussion before and I don't understand the FX1000 way of recording 24p. If it were true 24p, looks like the clip properties would be 23.976 progressive. The FX1000 24p must be in an 60i wrapper and it is up to the NLE to remove the pulldown....which Vegas, as I understand, does not do.

Cesar Ruiz · April 17th, 2009, 12:24 PM

This is most discouraging. Barron's response makes it clear that Vegas does not handle the embedded 24p correctly. Whether or not it is the FX1000's fault for not putting in correct flags, or Vegas' fault for not handling the flags is immaterial at this point. Hopefully it is a software issue and it will be corrected in an update (or better yet, I hope it's user error)!

Jeff Harper · April 17th, 2009, 02:31 PM

The way I understand it, as Tim says it is 24fps but in a 60i wrapper.

You can use something like Cineform Neo Scene to remove the pulldown. This is is a common issue as there are other cameras that record this way also.

For 24fps without the 60i wrapper, if you want to stick with Sony you need to move up to the Z5 or Z7 which records without the wrapper.

I don't find this a big deal, but I don't use 24fps. You can also get great results with 30p, which the FX1000 shoots.

Tim Akin · April 17th, 2009, 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cesar Ruiz

Hopefully it is a software issue and it will be corrected in an update (or better yet, I hope it's user error)!

My thoughts as well.

Tim Akin · April 17th, 2009, 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Harper

You can also get great results with 30p, which the FX1000 shoots.

Sooo true!!

Barron Thompson · April 17th, 2009, 04:51 PM

I've started a new thread here
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/sony-hvr-...ml#post1105453
as we've kinda moved OT.

Jeff Harper · April 17th, 2009, 09:05 PM

How did I know you would agree with that statement Tim?

Tim Akin · April 17th, 2009, 09:52 PM

Jeff, have you tried it on a wedding yet?

April 15th, 2009, 08:28 AM	#33
Cesar Ruiz Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Manchester, NH Posts: 182	Barron, Do you mean to tell me that you shot HDV 24 fps with the FX1000, then you imported the video using Vegas 8.0c onto a 24p timeline... And the clips show up as 24p? I'm just curious because I'm looking to get an FX1000 and this sounds great. __________________ Cana Video Productions, LLC Manchester, NH

April 16th, 2009, 06:27 AM	#35
Tim Akin Major Player Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Newbern, TN Posts: 414	Barren, When you go to the clips properties, is it progressive or interlaced? __________________ Tim

April 17th, 2009, 08:23 AM	#38
Tim Akin Major Player Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Newbern, TN Posts: 414	That's where I get confused Barron. Some of us have had this discussion before and I don't understand the FX1000 way of recording 24p. If it were true 24p, looks like the clip properties would be 23.976 progressive. The FX1000 24p must be in an 60i wrapper and it is up to the NLE to remove the pulldown....which Vegas, as I understand, does not do. __________________ Tim

April 17th, 2009, 12:24 PM	#39
Cesar Ruiz Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Manchester, NH Posts: 182	This is most discouraging. Barron's response makes it clear that Vegas does not handle the embedded 24p correctly. Whether or not it is the FX1000's fault for not putting in correct flags, or Vegas' fault for not handling the flags is immaterial at this point. Hopefully it is a software issue and it will be corrected in an update (or better yet, I hope it's user error)! __________________ Cana Video Productions, LLC Manchester, NH

April 17th, 2009, 09:52 PM	#45
Tim Akin Major Player Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Newbern, TN Posts: 414	Jeff, have you tried it on a wedding yet? __________________ Tim

February 22nd, 2009, 12:50 AM	#31
Roy Gates New Boot Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Bakersfield, CA Posts: 6	Cool! Looks like a nice place.

February 22nd, 2009, 07:14 AM	#32
Jeff Harper Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 8,425	I like that clip a lot, very well shot.

April 15th, 2009, 03:07 PM	#34
Barron Thompson Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Burlington, Ontario Posts: 67	Yes I shot 24pSCAN mode on the FX1000 and brought the clips onto the timeline. Project Properties were: Template: HDV 1080-24p (1440x1080, 23.976 fps) And indeed, there were 24 individual frames for every one second of footage.

April 16th, 2009, 07:13 AM	#36
Todd Clark Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Parma, Oh Posts: 172	Do you have a red bar above the timeline when you drop the footage in? If so it needs rendered and does not match the timeline settings.

April 16th, 2009, 10:58 AM	#37
Barron Thompson Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Burlington, Ontario Posts: 67	@Tim: The Field order in the project properties template is None (progressive scan). The clip itself (in the project media) is 29.970 fps and the field order is Upper field first. @Todd: There's no red bar.

April 17th, 2009, 02:31 PM	#40
Jeff Harper Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 8,425	The way I understand it, as Tim says it is 24fps but in a 60i wrapper. You can use something like Cineform Neo Scene to remove the pulldown. This is is a common issue as there are other cameras that record this way also. For 24fps without the 60i wrapper, if you want to stick with Sony you need to move up to the Z5 or Z7 which records without the wrapper. I don't find this a big deal, but I don't use 24fps. You can also get great results with 30p, which the FX1000 shoots.

April 17th, 2009, 04:51 PM	#43
Barron Thompson Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Burlington, Ontario Posts: 67	I've started a new thread here http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/sony-hvr-...ml#post1105453 as we've kinda moved OT.

April 17th, 2009, 09:05 PM	#44
Jeff Harper Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 8,425	How did I know you would agree with that statement Tim?