How does 24p conversion (DV Filmmaker/Magic Bullet) look on FX1, Z1, A1, etc? at DVinfo.net

James A. Davis · May 23rd, 2007, 07:18 AM

Earlier this year I was going to buy a FX1. But I decided to save the money and use some of it to finance my current project. Now that the project is near completion, I'll be able to buy the FX1 very soon. I've been looking at Pannies HVX200 but will be darned if I spend $4000 plus additional cash for P2 cards. The FX1 you can get for around $2500-$3000 depending on where and who you buy it from (always get a warranty and insurance people). Plus it has the down conversion. Its a good buy for a 1st time HD cam. Anyhow upon this cams release 2 1/2 years ago I along with many were displeased with the now infamous lack of 24p with Sony (with the exception of the new HVR-V1U). So regarding the 60i HDV conversion to 24p HDV, how would you say it looks? I know DV filmmaker has a HD editing program for around 100-200 bucks.

Douglas Spotted Eagle · May 23rd, 2007, 07:23 AM

DVFilmMaker does an outstanding job of converting the 60i to 24p. The motion resampling is convincing, and worth the cost if this is the look you're wanting.

James A. Davis · May 23rd, 2007, 07:30 AM

Would you say its up to par with the HVX200's 24p? How drastic is the difference?

Evan C. King · June 1st, 2007, 09:03 PM

The canon a1 isn't much more than the fx1 if you look around.

Bob Grant · June 2nd, 2007, 11:44 PM

Seems an odd question. If you want 24p from a Sony camera why not shoot 24p on a Sony camera such as the V1U or better yet wait for the XDCAM EX?

Maybe I've missed something here but there's now so many 24p cameras available with more on the way, shooting 60i to deliver 24p today doesn't seem necessary. No matter how good the 60i to 24p conversion is, would it ever be better than shooting 24p in the first place?

Christopher Witz · June 4th, 2007, 06:51 AM

If I spent as much time researching why, what, & how about 24p with the Z1/FX1 stuffing envelopes.... I'd be rich!

You are asking in the right place... but the answers will vary and you will end up wishing you spent more no matter what you buy.

I've settled for now with the Z1/FX1's using mac with final cut and the nattress plug-ins. Other than the time it takes to apply and tweak the filters... and the rendering times... I think the results are very good especially when sizing down to 1280X720.

I'm sure the Canon A1 will also look very good... some suggest better. But, there are a few things about the Z1/FX1 that I really like and would hate to be without... and they are; shot transition, low noise, tank-like build and reliability, great lcd screen, cheap batts, comfortable shooting at full auto or at full manual.

I think that if the Z1/FX1 shot 1080p out of the box you could double it's price and sell more than it already does at 1080i!

May 23rd, 2007, 07:18 AM	#1
James A. Davis Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 90	How does 24p conversion (DV Filmmaker/Magic Bullet) look on FX1, Z1, A1, etc? Earlier this year I was going to buy a FX1. But I decided to save the money and use some of it to finance my current project. Now that the project is near completion, I'll be able to buy the FX1 very soon. I've been looking at Pannies HVX200 but will be darned if I spend $4000 plus additional cash for P2 cards. The FX1 you can get for around $2500-$3000 depending on where and who you buy it from (always get a warranty and insurance people). Plus it has the down conversion. Its a good buy for a 1st time HD cam. Anyhow upon this cams release 2 1/2 years ago I along with many were displeased with the now infamous lack of 24p with Sony (with the exception of the new HVR-V1U). So regarding the 60i HDV conversion to 24p HDV, how would you say it looks? I know DV filmmaker has a HD editing program for around 100-200 bucks.

May 23rd, 2007, 07:23 AM	#2
Douglas Spotted Eagle VASST Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Stockton, UT Posts: 5,648	DVFilmMaker does an outstanding job of converting the 60i to 24p. The motion resampling is convincing, and worth the cost if this is the look you're wanting. __________________ Douglas Spotted Eagle/Spot Author, producer, composer Certified Sony Vegas Trainer http://www.vasst.com

May 23rd, 2007, 07:30 AM	#3
James A. Davis Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 90	Compared with the HVX200... Would you say its up to par with the HVX200's 24p? How drastic is the difference?

June 1st, 2007, 09:03 PM	#4
Evan C. King Major Player Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Toronto Posts: 532	The canon a1 isn't much more than the fx1 if you look around.

June 2nd, 2007, 11:44 PM	#5
Bob Grant Trustee Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Sydney Australia Posts: 1,570	Seems an odd question. If you want 24p from a Sony camera why not shoot 24p on a Sony camera such as the V1U or better yet wait for the XDCAM EX? Maybe I've missed something here but there's now so many 24p cameras available with more on the way, shooting 60i to deliver 24p today doesn't seem necessary. No matter how good the 60i to 24p conversion is, would it ever be better than shooting 24p in the first place?

June 4th, 2007, 06:51 AM	#6
Christopher Witz Major Player Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 591	If I spent as much time researching why, what, & how about 24p with the Z1/FX1 stuffing envelopes.... I'd be rich! You are asking in the right place... but the answers will vary and you will end up wishing you spent more no matter what you buy. I've settled for now with the Z1/FX1's using mac with final cut and the nattress plug-ins. Other than the time it takes to apply and tweak the filters... and the rendering times... I think the results are very good especially when sizing down to 1280X720. I'm sure the Canon A1 will also look very good... some suggest better. But, there are a few things about the Z1/FX1 that I really like and would hate to be without... and they are; shot transition, low noise, tank-like build and reliability, great lcd screen, cheap batts, comfortable shooting at full auto or at full manual. I think that if the Z1/FX1 shot 1080p out of the box you could double it's price and sell more than it already does at 1080i!