Picture Profile at DVinfo.net

Neil Corbett · November 28th, 2006, 10:13 AM

When I did a training course on the Z1 we never covered picture profile and I've being going along with it set to its default settings. I've now been looking at the manual and it looks like it could offer some benefits but I'm reluctant to start tinkering with stuff I don't fully understand.

Can anyone recommend any sites that might elaborate/offer good settings for picture profile?

cheers

Neil

Heath McKnight · November 28th, 2006, 12:02 PM

Check out the HDV book and Z1/FX1 training DVD at www.vasst.com there are a lot of cool setting recommendations and how to set it. The biggest thing is, there are some settings you can put in, but start creating your own. The ones that look good for you (and/or your clients).

heath

Boyd Ostroff · November 28th, 2006, 12:11 PM

Welcome to DVinfo Neil! See the following thread for some ideas:

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=42973

But I think Heath's advice is great, learn what works best for you. I think the only way to really learn this is to set the camera up with a decent HD monitor connected to it via the component cable. Then just engage in some "creative play" and observe the effects on the monitor. Unfortunately the builtin LCD screen is really too small to show the subtleties of the different options. Use the highest resolution monitor you can find, because otherwise you may discover noise or other artifacts which you didn't realize were there.

Heath McKnight · November 28th, 2006, 12:23 PM

Great points and thanks for the link, Boyd. I'll follow up that reading a book and watching a DVD won't help much if one doesn't do it. I mention this only because I have a friend with a newly purchased Z1 (about 5 months ago) that just sits around. He can tell you all sorts of profiles, but I don't think he could tell you what it looks like. Plus, I think he's more interested in renting it out than using it for himself.

heath

Neil Corbett · November 28th, 2006, 01:18 PM

Thanks for both the replys. I'll check out the link.

a quick question based on your replys...is picture profile mainly used when shooting hdv?

Heath McKnight · November 28th, 2006, 03:58 PM

I always shoot HDV for everything, then capture and edit in HDV and deliver in SD or HD. Better quality. But if you have to shoot in DV/DVCAM, the picture profiles still work. Only thing that turns off is CineFrame when switching between 50i and 60i.

heath

Douglas R. Bruce · November 28th, 2006, 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Heath McKnight

Check out the HDV book and Z1/FX1 training DVD at www.vasst.com there are a lot of cool setting recommendations and how to set it. The biggest thing is, there are some settings you can put in, but start creating your own. The ones that look good for you (and/or your clients).

heath

Heath,
You included a little ; in your URL above.

Some people may not find the page and notice the extra ;

Regards,
Douglas

Boyd Ostroff · November 28th, 2006, 05:11 PM

Thanks for catching that Douglas - I fixed the links so they work now.

Heath McKnight · November 28th, 2006, 06:27 PM

And thank you, Boyd! Sorry about that.

hwm

Mark Grant · November 30th, 2006, 12:46 PM

The BBC have a page with some suggested settings for various cameras, including the Z1:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/rd/pubs/whp/whp034.shtml

Edit: ah, here's the Z1-specific page:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/rd/pubs/whp/whp034-add20.shtml

November 28th, 2006, 10:13 AM	#1
Neil Corbett Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: London,UK Posts: 64	Picture Profile When I did a training course on the Z1 we never covered picture profile and I've being going along with it set to its default settings. I've now been looking at the manual and it looks like it could offer some benefits but I'm reluctant to start tinkering with stuff I don't fully understand. Can anyone recommend any sites that might elaborate/offer good settings for picture profile? cheers Neil

November 28th, 2006, 12:02 PM	#2
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	Check out the HDV book and Z1/FX1 training DVD at www.vasst.com there are a lot of cool setting recommendations and how to set it. The biggest thing is, there are some settings you can put in, but start creating your own. The ones that look good for you (and/or your clients). heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

November 28th, 2006, 12:23 PM	#4
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	Great points and thanks for the link, Boyd. I'll follow up that reading a book and watching a DVD won't help much if one doesn't do it. I mention this only because I have a friend with a newly purchased Z1 (about 5 months ago) that just sits around. He can tell you all sorts of profiles, but I don't think he could tell you what it looks like. Plus, I think he's more interested in renting it out than using it for himself. heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

November 28th, 2006, 01:18 PM	#5
Neil Corbett Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: London,UK Posts: 64	just hdv? Thanks for both the replys. I'll check out the link. a quick question based on your replys...is picture profile mainly used when shooting hdv?

November 28th, 2006, 03:58 PM	#6
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	I always shoot HDV for everything, then capture and edit in HDV and deliver in SD or HD. Better quality. But if you have to shoot in DV/DVCAM, the picture profiles still work. Only thing that turns off is CineFrame when switching between 50i and 60i. heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

November 28th, 2006, 12:11 PM	#3
Boyd Ostroff Wrangler Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mays Landing, NJ Posts: 11,802	Welcome to DVinfo Neil! See the following thread for some ideas: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=42973 But I think Heath's advice is great, learn what works best for you. I think the only way to really learn this is to set the camera up with a decent HD monitor connected to it via the component cable. Then just engage in some "creative play" and observe the effects on the monitor. Unfortunately the builtin LCD screen is really too small to show the subtleties of the different options. Use the highest resolution monitor you can find, because otherwise you may discover noise or other artifacts which you didn't realize were there.

November 28th, 2006, 05:11 PM	#8
Boyd Ostroff Wrangler Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mays Landing, NJ Posts: 11,802	Thanks for catching that Douglas - I fixed the links so they work now.

November 28th, 2006, 06:27 PM	#9
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	And thank you, Boyd! Sorry about that. hwm __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

November 30th, 2006, 12:46 PM	#10
Mark Grant Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Saskatoon, Canada (was London, UK) Posts: 138	The BBC have a page with some suggested settings for various cameras, including the Z1: http://www.bbc.co.uk/rd/pubs/whp/whp034.shtml Edit: ah, here's the Z1-specific page: http://www.bbc.co.uk/rd/pubs/whp/whp034-add20.shtml