Hip Hop's Dead: The making of an HDV Music Video

Heath McKnight · January 31st, 2006, 08:47 PM

Friendly codec--QuickTime movie, right?

heath

Heath McKnight · January 31st, 2006, 08:48 PM

ps-Sorry I'm getting this off topic. I may start a new thread over in editing.

heath

Jon Fordham · January 31st, 2006, 10:54 PM

Gustavo, here you go...

"Hip Hop's Dead" has been selected to screen on the Independent Film Channel's website as part of their IFC Media Lab film competition. Please, please, please, take the time to visit the website, register to vote, and give my video a nice high score!!! The films with the highest score will screen on the Independent Film Channel in the coming months. Please, take the time to do this! You can find the film at the following link: http://medialab.ifc.com/film_detail.jsp?film_id=471 or go to http://medialab.ifc.com/ and click NEWEST.

Chris Hurd and I and in the process of getting the video hosted at HDVi when the article is posted. But in the meantime, you can view it at IFC!

Heath, I did take the opportunity to run some of the CF25 footage from Lance's film through the codec and export that Graeme recommended and used Cinema Tools to conform to 23.98. I then imported the 23.98 file and downconverted to DV50. The results were beautiful! I will be outlining this process and the results in the article I'm writing for HDVi chronicling my experiences with the the Z1 and CF25. Stay tuned!

Heath McKnight · January 31st, 2006, 11:07 PM

Just so you know, Lance is a writer/director who did a short horror film last month (re-shoots the other day) that Jon shot and I line produced. It looks great! But it's in post, so we'll link up a trailer soon.

heath

John Benton · February 1st, 2006, 06:00 AM

excellent work everyone

Graeme Nattress · February 1st, 2006, 06:39 AM

By "fiendly codec" I mean, not long GOP MPEG FCP magic codec.....

So, Uncompressed 8-bit 4:2:2
PhotoJPEG 75%
DVCproHD

etc.

Graeme

Evan C. King · February 1st, 2006, 07:08 AM

But what if you only have an FX1 and don't have the 50i option? Will 60i look good enough? Or is the difference between 50i and 60i transfered to 24p really big enough to warrant the price difference?

Graeme as you might know in our country there is a huge price difference between an fx1 and z1u.

Graeme Nattress · February 1st, 2006, 07:24 AM

60i to 24p through my software looks really good too. If you need to get 60i media onto a 24p timeline, use the Standards Converter, or if on a 60i timeline with 3:2 pulldown is fine, use Film Effects. Either way, use Film Effects for it's lovely gamma curves.

Is the difference enough to warrant the price change? Possibly - the flexibility of the Z1 is very good, as is the better audio inputs.

But you can get great results either way.

Graeme

Evan C. King · February 2nd, 2006, 03:03 AM

Sorry to ask yet another dumb question and high jack a thread but can a dvd be made from the 3:2 pulldown 24p of film effects? Sure it won't be a true 24p dvd and won't have minimal conpression but it'll still look 60i right? I'm asking because as of right now I'm on fce hd and won't be looking to upgrade until apple once again offers upgrades, which they're not doing right now, not for fce. I've got a friend that has fcp 5 though maybe I could get it off of him if neccessary.

Heath McKnight · February 2nd, 2006, 07:10 AM

Go here for those questions:

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...457#post423457

I set it up for Sony HDV to 24p.

heath

Graeme Nattress · February 2nd, 2006, 08:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evan C. King

Sorry to ask yet another dumb question and high jack a thread but can a dvd be made from the 3:2 pulldown 24p of film effects? Sure it won't be a true 24p dvd and won't have minimal conpression but it'll still look 60i right? I'm asking because as of right now I'm on fce hd and won't be looking to upgrade until apple once again offers upgrades, which they're not doing right now, not for fce. I've got a friend that has fcp 5 though maybe I could get it off of him if neccessary.

Yes, you can make a DVD from it. It will look 24p, but be contained within 60i. Be very careful with field order. For Film Effects in HDV set to upper. Make sure compressor knows that your video is upper or it will muck things up.

Graeme

Chris Jothi · February 2nd, 2006, 02:34 PM

$50 video! Looks fantastic.

Jon Fordham · February 2nd, 2006, 07:10 PM

Thank you, Chris!

Yeah, you want to know where that $50 went? $10 on a Sony MiniDV EX tape, $20 to take a car service from my apartment in Brooklyn into Manhattan, and $20 to take a cab back to my apartment in Brooklyn!

If it weren't for carrying the monitor, I could've taken the subway and the video would've cost me a grand total of $10!

Chris Hurd · March 4th, 2006, 12:33 PM

I don't think I ever posted these links... Jon's article is now on HDV Info Net:

http://www.hdvinfo.net/articles/sony...ordhamhhd1.php

http://www.hdvinfo.net/articles/sony...ordhamhhd2.php

Jon Fordham · March 24th, 2006, 02:53 PM

This weekend is your last chance to see "Hip Hop's Dead" at the 2006 Sundays in the City March Movie Marathon!!!

"Hip Hop's Dead" will be making its third and final screening at the 2006 Sundays in the City March Movie Marathon this Sunday March 26th at 6:45PM. "Hip Hop's Dead" will screen preceding the multi award winning* film "Blackwater Elegy" starring Barry Corbin and John Cullum.

For more info please visit:

2006 Sundays in the City March Movie Marathon
http://www.lonebeast.com/sundaysinth...ttheevent.html

Blackwater Elegy
http://www.blackwaterelegy.com
http://imdb.com/title/tt0384851/combined

And for those of you not in NY, you can still view the Music Video at the IFC Media Lab!

"Hip Hop's Dead" @ the IFC Media Lab
http://medialab.ifc.com/film_detail.jsp?film_id=471

*Awards for Blackwater Elegy
Milagro Award @ 2003 Santa Fe Film Festival
Best Short Film @ 2004 George Lindsey UNA Film Festival
Best Short Film @ 2004 Tambay International Film Festival
Best Supporting Actor Award for John Cullum @ 2004 Tambay International Film Festival
Audience Choice Award @ 2004 Jacksonville Film Festival
Best Cinematography Award for Jon Fordham @ 2004 Thunderbird International Film Festival
Best Short Film @ 2005 Semana Internacional De Cine Naval Y Del Mar De Cartagena in Spain
Best Screenplay @ 2005 Semana Internacional De Cine Naval Y Del Mar De Cartagena in Spain
Florida Choice Award @ 2005 Independents Film Fest Tampa

January 31st, 2006, 08:47 PM	#31
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	Friendly codec--QuickTime movie, right? heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

January 31st, 2006, 08:48 PM	#32
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	ps-Sorry I'm getting this off topic. I may start a new thread over in editing. heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

January 31st, 2006, 10:54 PM	#33
Jon Fordham Major Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: New York, NY Posts: 242	View the Music Video NOW!!! Gustavo, here you go... "Hip Hop's Dead" has been selected to screen on the Independent Film Channel's website as part of their IFC Media Lab film competition. Please, please, please, take the time to visit the website, register to vote, and give my video a nice high score!!! The films with the highest score will screen on the Independent Film Channel in the coming months. Please, take the time to do this! You can find the film at the following link: http://medialab.ifc.com/film_detail.jsp?film_id=471 or go to http://medialab.ifc.com/ and click NEWEST. Chris Hurd and I and in the process of getting the video hosted at HDVi when the article is posted. But in the meantime, you can view it at IFC! Heath, I did take the opportunity to run some of the CF25 footage from Lance's film through the codec and export that Graeme recommended and used Cinema Tools to conform to 23.98. I then imported the 23.98 file and downconverted to DV50. The results were beautiful! I will be outlining this process and the results in the article I'm writing for HDVi chronicling my experiences with the the Z1 and CF25. Stay tuned! __________________ Jon Fordham Director of Photography www.jonfordham.com

January 31st, 2006, 11:07 PM	#34
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	Just so you know, Lance is a writer/director who did a short horror film last month (re-shoots the other day) that Jon shot and I line produced. It looks great! But it's in post, so we'll link up a trailer soon. heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

February 1st, 2006, 06:39 AM	#36
Graeme Nattress RED Problem Solver Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Ottawa, Canada Posts: 1,365	By "fiendly codec" I mean, not long GOP MPEG FCP magic codec..... So, Uncompressed 8-bit 4:2:2 PhotoJPEG 75% DVCproHD etc. Graeme __________________ www.nattress.com - filters for FCP

February 1st, 2006, 06:00 AM	#35
John Benton Major Player Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: NYC Posts: 658	excellent work everyone

February 1st, 2006, 07:08 AM	#37
Evan C. King Major Player Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Toronto Posts: 532	But what if you only have an FX1 and don't have the 50i option? Will 60i look good enough? Or is the difference between 50i and 60i transfered to 24p really big enough to warrant the price difference? Graeme as you might know in our country there is a huge price difference between an fx1 and z1u.

February 1st, 2006, 07:24 AM	#38
Graeme Nattress RED Problem Solver Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Ottawa, Canada Posts: 1,365	60i to 24p through my software looks really good too. If you need to get 60i media onto a 24p timeline, use the Standards Converter, or if on a 60i timeline with 3:2 pulldown is fine, use Film Effects. Either way, use Film Effects for it's lovely gamma curves. Is the difference enough to warrant the price change? Possibly - the flexibility of the Z1 is very good, as is the better audio inputs. But you can get great results either way. Graeme __________________ www.nattress.com - filters for FCP

February 2nd, 2006, 03:03 AM	#39
Evan C. King Major Player Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Toronto Posts: 532	Sorry to ask yet another dumb question and high jack a thread but can a dvd be made from the 3:2 pulldown 24p of film effects? Sure it won't be a true 24p dvd and won't have minimal conpression but it'll still look 60i right? I'm asking because as of right now I'm on fce hd and won't be looking to upgrade until apple once again offers upgrades, which they're not doing right now, not for fce. I've got a friend that has fcp 5 though maybe I could get it off of him if neccessary.

February 2nd, 2006, 07:10 AM	#40
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	Go here for those questions: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...457#post423457 I set it up for Sony HDV to 24p. heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

February 2nd, 2006, 02:34 PM	#42
Chris Jothi Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 74	$50 video! Looks fantastic.

February 2nd, 2006, 07:10 PM	#43
Jon Fordham Major Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: New York, NY Posts: 242	Thank you, Chris! Yeah, you want to know where that $50 went? $10 on a Sony MiniDV EX tape, $20 to take a car service from my apartment in Brooklyn into Manhattan, and $20 to take a cab back to my apartment in Brooklyn! If it weren't for carrying the monitor, I could've taken the subway and the video would've cost me a grand total of $10! __________________ Jon Fordham Director of Photography www.jonfordham.com

March 4th, 2006, 12:33 PM	#44
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	I don't think I ever posted these links... Jon's article is now on HDV Info Net: http://www.hdvinfo.net/articles/sony...ordhamhhd1.php http://www.hdvinfo.net/articles/sony...ordhamhhd2.php __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

March 24th, 2006, 02:53 PM	#45
Jon Fordham Major Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: New York, NY Posts: 242	2006 SITC Screening This weekend is your last chance to see "Hip Hop's Dead" at the 2006 Sundays in the City March Movie Marathon!!! "Hip Hop's Dead" will be making its third and final screening at the 2006 Sundays in the City March Movie Marathon this Sunday March 26th at 6:45PM. "Hip Hop's Dead" will screen preceding the multi award winning* film "Blackwater Elegy" starring Barry Corbin and John Cullum. For more info please visit: 2006 Sundays in the City March Movie Marathon http://www.lonebeast.com/sundaysinth...ttheevent.html Blackwater Elegy http://www.blackwaterelegy.com http://imdb.com/title/tt0384851/combined And for those of you not in NY, you can still view the Music Video at the IFC Media Lab! "Hip Hop's Dead" @ the IFC Media Lab http://medialab.ifc.com/film_detail.jsp?film_id=471 *Awards for Blackwater Elegy Milagro Award @ 2003 Santa Fe Film Festival Best Short Film @ 2004 George Lindsey UNA Film Festival Best Short Film @ 2004 Tambay International Film Festival Best Supporting Actor Award for John Cullum @ 2004 Tambay International Film Festival Audience Choice Award @ 2004 Jacksonville Film Festival Best Cinematography Award for Jon Fordham @ 2004 Thunderbird International Film Festival Best Short Film @ 2005 Semana Internacional De Cine Naval Y Del Mar De Cartagena in Spain Best Screenplay @ 2005 Semana Internacional De Cine Naval Y Del Mar De Cartagena in Spain Florida Choice Award @ 2005 Independents Film Fest Tampa __________________ Jon Fordham Director of Photography www.jonfordham.com